Is the Piaggio a two man crew or not?

[CherryBomb]

"Piaggio ***SL, maintain .65 or less you have a 60 knot overtake on the citation ahead"

 

[Corona]

I also have to differ...

I don't know of too many turboprops that require the pilot to pull back the power to maintain 250kias below 10,000'.

AC695A or B

C

 

[J3 Driver]

Sec. 135.4

(a) An "eligible on-demand operation" is an on-demand operation conducted under this part that meets the following requirements:
(1) Two-pilot crew. The flightcrew must consist of at least two qualified pilots employed or contracted by the certificate holder.

Of course you have to read all of the regulations but flying a turbo-prop single pilot under part 135 takes place everyday.

Section 135.105: Exception to second in command requirement: Approval for use of autopilot system.

(a) Except as provided in §§135.99 and 135.111, unless two pilots are required by this chapter for operations under VFR, a person may operate an aircraft without a second in command, if it is equipped with an operative approved autopilot system and the use of that system is authorized by appropriate operations specifications. No certificate holder may use any person, nor may any person serve, as a pilot in command under this section of an aircraft operated in a commuter operation, as defined in part 119 of this chapter unless that person has at least 100 hours pilot in command flight time in the make and model of aircraft to be flown and has met all other applicable requirements of this part.
(b) The certificate holder may apply for an amendment of its operations specifications to authorize the use of an autopilot system in place of a second in command.
(c) The Administrator issues an amendment to the operations specifications authorizing the use of an autopilot system, in place of a second in command, if—
(1) The autopilot is capable of operating the aircraft controls to maintain flight and maneuver it about the three axes; and
(2) The certificate holder shows, to the satisfaction of the Administrator, that operations using the autopilot system can be conducted safely and in compliance with this part.
The amendment contains any conditions or limitations on the use of the autopilot system that the Administrator determines are needed in the interest of safety.

 

[J3 Driver]

If you are operating just Pt. 91 then no. What they are refering to is Fractional ops (Pt 91K) as below.

§ 91.1049 Personnel.

(a) Each program manager and each fractional owner must use in program operations on program aircraft flight crews meeting §91.1053 criteria and qualified under the appropriate regulations. The program manager must provide oversight of those crews.
(b) Each program manager must employ (either directly or by contract) an adequate number of pilots per program aircraft. Flight crew staffing must be determined based on the following factors, at a minimum:
(1) Number of program aircraft.
(2) Program manager flight, duty, and rest time considerations, and in all cases within the limits set forth in §§91.1057 through 91.1061.
(3) Vacations.
(4) Operational efficiencies.
(5) Training.
(6) Single pilot operations, if authorized by deviation under paragraph (d) of this section.
(c) Each program manager must publish pilot and flight attendant duty schedules sufficiently in advance to follow the flight, duty, and rest time limits in §§91.1057 through 91.1061 in program operations.
(d) Unless otherwise authorized by the Administrator, when any program aircraft is flown in program operations with passengers onboard, the crew must consist of at least two qualified pilots employed or contracted by the program manager or the fractional owner.
(e) The program manager must ensure that trained and qualified scheduling or flight release personnel are on duty to schedule and release program aircraft during all hours that such aircraft are available for program operations.

What! I am not saying it is a good idea but you can fly around single pilot part 91 all you want. It is still a turbo-prop no matter which way you turn the motors. I am aware that they are talking about fractionals as well but the answer is still yes even though Avantair uses a crew of 2; which I am sure we all would agree is a good thing.

 

[PC12Cowboy]

Pretty.......................DAMN FAST..lol
astethics???? thats a personal choice

 

[Dilligaff]

AC695A or B

C

Didn't know that - thanks!

Any others?

 

[honeycomb]

Didn't know that - thanks!

Any others?

Yeah the BE 300 (Super King Air 300).

And, the ATR 72 212A (now that is a nice turbo prop.)

 

[Mr. Pebbles]

"Piaggio ***SL, maintain .65 or less you have a 60 knot overtake on the citation ahead"

Sure..... People who wish they were flying a jet can deceive themselves fairly easily. A shame.

 

[CherryBomb]

Sure..... People who wish they were flying a jet can deceive themselves fairly easily. A shame.

Ha Ha ur sooooo funny...

 

[glasspilot]

Sure..... People who wish they were flying a jet can deceive themselves fairly easily. A shame.

I can't speak for anyone else but I quit flying jets to fly the super prop that is the P-180. (Granted my last jet job sucked)

 

[myrealnameis]

Sure..... People who wish they were flying a jet can deceive themselves fairly easily. A shame.

How can you tell a jet pilot in a room full of pilots...........you don't have too, they'll tell you.

 

[DO-82 driver]

Or...if they're CS pilots they'll all be quiet for fear of ticking off their fellow pilots and thus jeapordizing their upgrade.

 

[Mr. Pebbles]

How can you tell a jet pilot in a room full of pilots...........you don't have too, they'll tell you.

If flying a jet is of no importance to anyone, why is there such bickering and jockeying for position every time your pathetic company TRIES to bring a jet on board? Oh, I can answer that- jet time is what brings the bacon home.

The P180 is an awesome airplane- I've flown it a little and I like it. That being said, jet performance is different than " jet like performance."

On a different note, word is that the new money people over there are trying to get rid of your CEO. Any update on that?

 

[Dilligaff]

Hmmm... I wasn't here when the Premiers came on board but I don't recall any "bickering and jockeying" when the Astra came. Can you give us some specific examples of this "bickering and jockeying" that went on when the Astra was brought on board? Since it happens "every time" I'm sure you can provide a plethora of examples.

Dilligaff

 

[Mr. Pebbles]

Hmmm... I wasn't here when the Premiers came on board but I don't recall any "bickering and jockeying" when the Astra came. Can you give us some specific examples of this "bickering and jockeying" that went on when the Astra was brought on board? Since it happens "every time" I'm sure you can provide a plethora of examples.

Dilligaff

I could, sir, but I can tell by the tone of your post that it would be wasted on you, so I won't bother.

If Avantair ever brings a fleet of jets on board, hire all the pilots that you need for them off the street and keep your current pilots in the Piaggio, and you'll find out real fast that flying a turboprop is not what most people aspire to. :beer:

 

[brewerdog]

how bout that Twin Otter, now thats one fast turboprop, the dash 8 is up there too or the q400 (http://www.q400.com/)

 

[myrealnameis]

I could, sir, but I can tell by the tone of your post that it would be wasted on you, so I won't bother.

If Avantair ever brings a fleet of jets on board, hire all the pilots that you need for them off the street and keep your current pilots in the Piaggio, and you'll find out real fast that flying a turboprop is not what most people aspire to. :beer:

I think once the luster of any aircraft wears off at the end of the day its all about how much you are paid and the QOL for which you make it.

While I don't agree with some of the things you you say on this forum, and I'm sure likewise is also true. I do have to admit you have been correct to a certain extent on some of the rumors and questions you have asked. You have made many valid points and made observations that many have missed. With that said I believe we have many outstanding pilots and all have a stake in it being a stable and profitable company, after all we all have bills to pay and mouths to feed. While your comment of a "pathetic company" was offensive to many of us who still work here, I do believe you also would like to see this company succeed.
cheers

 

[Dilligaff]

I could, sir, but I can tell by the tone of your post that it would be wasted on you, so I won't bother.

Translation: You have no clue if this "bickering and jockeying" went on. If I'm wrong, please give specific examples. Truthfully, I think this is just another example of you going out of your way to badmouth our company in any way you can regardless if there is any truth to it or not.

Dilligaff

 

[Mr. Pebbles]

I think once the luster of any aircraft wears off at the end of the day its all about how much you are paid and the QOL for which you make it.

While I don't agree with some of the things you you say on this forum, and I'm sure likewise is also true. I do have to admit you have been correct to a certain extent on some of the rumors and questions you have asked. You have made many valid points and made observations that many have missed. With that said I believe we have many outstanding pilots and all have a stake in it being a stable and profitable company, after all we all have bills to pay and mouths to feed. While your comment of a "pathetic company" was offensive to many of us who still work here, I do believe you also would like to see this company succeed.
cheers

An intelligent and insightful post. I have known and still know many outstanding pilots at your company. As a pilot, I have no wish to see any company fail. When I said " pathetic company", I should clarify that to mean the lying, stupid jerks that are in upper management. I'm glad to hear that steps are being taken to weed them out.

cheers back

 

[Mr. Pebbles]

Translation: You have no clue if this "bickering and jockeying" went on. If I'm wrong, please give specific examples. Truthfully, I think this is just another example of you going out of your way to badmouth our company in any way you can regardless if there is any truth to it or not.

Dilligaff

You can tell by my above post that I'm not an unreasonable person. The bickering and jockeying, phone calls, and bull******************** that have gone on in relation to who flies what and many other issues would more than clutter up many pages in this forum.

You've said yourself that you havent been there long enough to know everything, and that's the smartest thing you've said. I don't badmouth anybody unless it's warranted. Translation: You don't know squat.