dont forget dirty, people can leave behind you and it still counts twords attrition. Listen its simple, they are a horrible company in business for themself and they dont care about you. they will never be more than 100-120 planes. they will cut you anytime business gets tough, and until you unionize you will never get the workrules and pay you deserve. I say this not being a union guy either. I am for the company in most instances, however i know the environment over there and if you contend its anything other than bad then you just havent touched other possibilities.
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I have been here a short time but I haven't seen anything like what you are describing.
Netflier is just running his mouth.... one who bad mouths another is just envious of them. Grass is Greeer theory? I have been with Flex for a long while and Love it here.... There will always be something to bitch about, this is a job!! But management takes care of its crewmembers.... Netjets care more about quantity...and how many pilots we have!! Let us only grow to 120 jets, because quality is what retains Owners, just ask those that left Netjets for the service offered at Flexjet.
Actually, all pilots at NJA "commute". The domicile is just a place where you get on an airliner to wherever your NJA aircraft is (could well be a thousand or two thousand miles away) and it's also where your potentially long airline trek home ends. In other words, you are a professional airline passenger a good part of the time, you are "commuting" a good part of the time, regardless.
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Agree with the running mouth comment. No matter where you work there will be guys who hate it, love it, or are somewhere in between. And ALL companies are in business for themselves. To say otherwise is beyond stupid.
Flex could be better. I'd like to see our pay and bennies be brought in line with NJ's and CS's. I'd like to order my food instead of suffering whatever crap Scarechef sends me for lunch. However, it wasn't so long ago that NJ's pilots were wishing they had our payscale, and much of what I'd like to see happen at Flex is well on it's way.
I find it interesting that those who continually run down my company are usually of the union variety. I sometimes think they only want us to unionize so that they can play one company against the other in bidding wars over our services. That worked wonders for the airlines didn't it?
How 'bout you be happy with your job, and if I'm happy with mine then let me be.
Oh yeah, the business about 1.5 year upgrades is questionable at best, as is any info garnered from the experts at our training center.
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Grass is greener huh?
We have plenty of former Flex owners flying QS tails as well my friend...
If you want to get into a pissing match of "my company is better than your company" then let me throw this out at you. If the "quality," as you call it, at NetJets is SOOO bad, why do we own more than 70% of the market share? It is the brand. People brag to their friends about all the great experiences they have flying with our crews, on our planes, that we are being forced to grow at exponential rates.
Sounds to me that the quality at NetJets is exceptional.
Our passengers do not buy into our respective programs just to get from A to B. They want the prestige of flying on our planes. They want the first class service we ALL provide whether it be NJA, Flex, CS, FLOPS, etc...
Disclaimer: This post is not intended as "we are better than you"
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Hi!
"Ohhh the prestige of flying" on a Falcon 2000, or a Falcon 7X, or a Gulfstream 450/550 or a BBJ.
Wait, I thought it WAS prestigious to fly on something like a BBJ/Gulfstream/Big Falcon, but maybe I'm mistaken.
Most people can't even afford to fly on a jet of ANY, size, so yes, it IS prestigious to fly on ANY jet, not to mention a large, expensive one, like NetJets has.
I've also heard that Flex is getting the Global Express.
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"Ohhh the prestige of flying" on a Falcon 2000, or a Falcon 7X, or a Gulfstream 450/550 or a BBJ.
Wait, I thought it WAS prestigious to fly on something like a BBJ/Gulfstream/Big Falcon, but maybe I'm mistaken.
Most people can't even afford to fly on a jet of ANY, size, so yes, it IS prestigious to fly on ANY jet, not to mention a large, expensive one, like NetJets has.
I've also heard that Flex is getting the Global Express.
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cool......NJA is gettin the new space shuttle too........
in other words....who cares.....as long as pilots are fighting like this our salaries and qol will go down....keep it up...i knew there was nothing but company men here....
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The same reason Microsoft has the market share. Your company is no better or worse than Flexjet. You just have a headstart.
300 is just another pilot that came from the freight industry that flex stole in the early stages of starting up and now had made some friends in management and only thinks of himself.
i have been there, i have done the 18 hour duty days. i have seen the pressure from the management to get the got done, putting safety last. i have stayed in all the holiday inn expresses, i have seen my benefits cut, pay frozen, ate the crappy crew meals ect.
its not a "run of the mouth" 300 its the facts, undisputed.
its not if netjets is a better company, guys are asking if Flexjets is the place to be and I am saying "NO". even if our upgrades were 4 years here and flex was 6 months, i would still say "NO".
your growth is limited, your pilot leadership sucks, your planes are great, tis all you gotti. now finish up that 6 days on and 3 days off 300. Union will lead you down the proper path.
i have been there, i have done the 18 hour duty days. i have seen the pressure from the management to get the got done, putting safety last. i have stayed in all the holiday inn expresses, i have seen my benefits cut, pay frozen, ate the crappy crew meals ect.
its not a "run of the mouth" 300 its the facts, undisputed.
its not if netjets is a better company, guys are asking if Flexjets is the place to be and I am saying "NO". even if our upgrades were 4 years here and flex was 6 months, i would still say "NO".
your growth is limited, your pilot leadership sucks, your planes are great, tis all you gotti. now finish up that 6 days on and 3 days off 300. Union will lead you down the proper path.
Usually I gripe about Flex but, I have never worked a 18 hour day. Management has never put pressure on me to ignore safety and get the job done. I have stayed at a Holiday inn express, yes I am a pilot. A big pay raise would be nice. No more 6 on 3 off. The food??? got to agree with you there BROTHER... Do they have it better at NJA? yes!!! however,its not as bad as you make it.
They must be after you for breaking a contract.
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So. Your domiciles suck, pay blows, and you guys buy your own airline tickets. (commuters)
.Yes, i'll take your extra crew meal if your offering.
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I second what CL300 pilot has said. Also, it's been said many times regarding supply vs. demand, hard job markets vs. soft job markets, hiring vs. attrition. This is simple math. Think about it. The fractionals aren't for everyone. The airlines aren't for everyone. Corporate aviation isn't for everyone. When the job market is hot, pilots make there move.
So. Your domiciles suck, pay blows, and you guys buy your own airline tickets. (commuters)
Yes, i'll take your extra crew meal if your offering.
So...... it sound like your missing FLOPS. lol
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NETFLIER, I am not trying to start a pissing contest here one way or the other, but it sounds like you were here at Flex not long after 2002. Am I correct in this statement?
The management in place does not push safety items nor do they threaten us if we don't do an assignment due to aircraft issues, weather or what ever. In fact, we get out tails jumped if we fly broke aircraft.
Now, back in "the old days", I would agree with you. However, that is not the case here and now. I have never seen an 18 hour duty day, even when traveling back home on my last day. I have also never seen a 6/3 rotation. I have seen more 4/5, 5/6, 5/4 and 5/5's.
I realize that you feel that Flexjet should be blown to bits, and that is OK, that is our opinion. But please, don't try and tell people how things are here in the now as compared to what they were. Could that happen again, I would have to say it is always a possibility. But it is always a possibility that things could go south at NJA with the union in place as well.
To those looking at Flexjet, if you are looking for utopia, it does not exist. However, this is the best job I have ever had in aviation and I work with a great bunch of guys/gals here as well. I also feel that you could feel the same way about NJA as well. It is all a matter of what you want and where you want to be.
I am off my soap box now and wish everyone happy flying.
CL300Pilot
PS. If we, Flex or NJA ever meet on the road, lets share an adult beverage together and talk about the fun of flying. And yes Netflier, that means you too!:beer:
The management in place does not push safety items nor do they threaten us if we don't do an assignment due to aircraft issues, weather or what ever. In fact, we get out tails jumped if we fly broke aircraft.
Now, back in "the old days", I would agree with you. However, that is not the case here and now. I have never seen an 18 hour duty day, even when traveling back home on my last day. I have also never seen a 6/3 rotation. I have seen more 4/5, 5/6, 5/4 and 5/5's.
I realize that you feel that Flexjet should be blown to bits, and that is OK, that is our opinion. But please, don't try and tell people how things are here in the now as compared to what they were. Could that happen again, I would have to say it is always a possibility. But it is always a possibility that things could go south at NJA with the union in place as well.
To those looking at Flexjet, if you are looking for utopia, it does not exist. However, this is the best job I have ever had in aviation and I work with a great bunch of guys/gals here as well. I also feel that you could feel the same way about NJA as well. It is all a matter of what you want and where you want to be.
I am off my soap box now and wish everyone happy flying.
CL300Pilot
PS. If we, Flex or NJA ever meet on the road, lets share an adult beverage together and talk about the fun of flying. And yes Netflier, that means you too!:beer:
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