Is First Officer IOE actually SIC time?

[Dirty Sanchez]

Who cares...

The only time it will matter is if you get fired during or shortly after IOE. Then you should worry about how to log it. Otherwise it is only going to be a very small part of your SIC time.

Fly what you want. Log what you need.

 

[CRJDog]

This applies to PIC time as well. I heard that where I work they preach that you
should not log it. BS!

 

[TinGoose1]

When you go for an interview, they are going to want your PIC+SIC+Dual received=Total time. You can't be anything two of those at the same time.

 

[xjcaptain]

During IOE you would log SIC as an FO. Keep in mind that your check-airman may not have a current CFI or may never have had a CFI, so they would be unable to provide traditional "dual received". Instruction in air-transportation ops may be provided as an ATP, and certainly as a current check airman. Bottom line...it doesn't matter, just log it as SIC, you're a required crewmember and not a PIC, so that leaves......SIC.

 

[KingAirer]

When you go for an interview, they are going to want your PIC+SIC+Dual received=Total time. You can't be anything two of those at the same time.

Not always true. Outside the airline world anyways. Just for example when someone does instrument training as a PVT pilot, they can log PIC and Dual recvd.

 

[Steveair]

Are check airmen required to hold current instructor ratings?

 

[TinGoose1]

Not always true. Outside the airline world anyways. Just for example when someone does instrument training as a PVT pilot, they can log PIC and Dual recvd.

Not true. When you sign for the aircraft, you are PIC. If you aren't the one with your name on it, your receiving dual. What your refering to is an old flight school trick to gaine PIC, nothing more. Sitting in an interview is a bad time to realize that this is indeed how it works.

 

[xjcaptain]

Are check airmen required to hold current instructor ratings?

No they are not. Holding a CFI is not a FAA prerequisite to be a check-airman. Some have, others have not.

 

[Crossky]

Not true. When you sign for the aircraft, you are PIC. If you aren't the one with your name on it, your receiving dual. What your refering to is an old flight school trick to gaine PIC, nothing more. Sitting in an interview is a bad time to realize that this is indeed how it works.

The FAA definition of PIC and the logging of PIC permits both pilots (CFI and student) to LOG PIC when one manipulating the controls is appropriately rated (private pilot or better) for the flight and the other is acting as a CFI. A Private pilot on an instrument training flight while VFR or on a VFR flight plan is a perfect example of this. The CFI and the student log PIC, the student also logs dual. The student signs for the airplane as well. If on an instrument flight plan this pilot can't log PIC, of course. Check FAR 61.51(e)(1)(i) and 61.51(e)(3).

It is true that some airlines and companies don't recognize logged PIC time during any flight when dual was being received (except for the CFI). This requirement some employers have is more conservative that what the FAA permits.