Is Delta getting 747's from JAL

[AA717driver]

I have heard some rumors that the lease rates were too good to pass up.

AA passed on them in keeping with their goal of not wanting to deprive the rest of the industry of additional capacity with which to expand.

I've been saying that AA is TWA in 1996 for the past year or so. But, I'm wrong. Even TWA wasn't THAT F'ed up back then.

TC

 

[Scope out RJ's]

I hope we do get them, the infighting alone on "who gets to fly them," ought to be a real treat.

 

[jdubya]

I really wish Delta could get them, but listen, as always the rumor mill kinda wears on you after a while, and is anyone really paying attention to the economy out there?

 

[General Lee]

I really wish Delta could get them, but listen, as always the rumor mill kinda wears on you after a while, and is anyone really paying attention to the economy out there?

True, but DL could possibly get them and then use some to rotate out DL's current 744s to get new PTV's for each seat, while keeping the current schedule intact. The current 744s need audio and visual upgrades to compete with Singapore Airlines etc in the IFE department, and after announcing Haneda service from DTW and LAX, there are no spares to rotate in. Also, the new scheduled service leaves little room for MAC charters for the Government, which are lucrative too. DL hasn't even started the HND service yet.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[i fly boxes]

IF and If you guys got 25 747's or even 10 for that matter, would it really be good long term if there is no replacement for them ordered? Wouldnt it lead to a bunch of hiring for a plane that requires a lot of crews but then if the economy doesnt recover it would lead to a lot of furloughs later. Wouldnt it be better to slowly grow by either ordering more 777's or 747-800's at a slower pace? I am not a business major, just saying

 

[jdubya]

Good info....it's hard to believe sometimes that management actually (supposedly) hashes this stuff out.

 

[FBN0223]

I have heard some rumors that the lease rates were too good to pass up.

Heard the same thing regarding lease rates. Also we're going to need the extra lift to compete with CAL/UAL in the pacific.

 

[General Lee]

IF and If you guys got 25 747's or even 10 for that matter, would it really be good long term if there is no replacement for them ordered? Wouldnt it lead to a bunch of hiring for a plane that requires a lot of crews but then if the economy doesnt recover it would lead to a lot of furloughs later. Wouldnt it be better to slowly grow by either ordering more 777's or 747-800's at a slower pace? I am not a business major, just saying

There are plenty of retirements in the next few year to make up for that. Those leases, if it happens, would probably be 5 or more years in length, and there will be plenty of pilots leaving within that time. Some upcoming years have 800 or more retirements scheduled for that year alone, and every guy that leaves means 13 people moving up an aircraft or seat position. And, a used airplane with years to go is probably cheaper than buying a new one and waiting for the certification. That would be great if this comes to fruition.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[Raoul Duke]

Would they go to Pinnacle or Transstates?

 

[NuGuy]

Heyas,

With the world wide economy, and most especially the domestic economy, ready to deflate like a cheap beach toy, I'd be really pretty doubtful of this. Especially the number. 5 maybe, 10 maybe not, 25 no way. Maybe 25 total endstate fleet.

I will conceed they have the sim support to ramp up to a total fleet higher than that. They run the 330 program (32 hulls) with 2 sims. I want to say they have 4 744 sims.

I don't think it would be a net gain, anyway. If you are going to load up on 744s, you are going to displace some narrowbodies out in the beach/interport markets. Those 75/76s are going to have to go somewhere, and I don't think the domestic market can absorb that lift.

Now if you are going to make an agressive push to displace CALMike while they are all tied up in merger stuff, THAT might account for it, but that would take an extraordinarily agressive marketing move...something I don't think any of us as seen from this or previous managements.

Nu