Is Delta getting 747's from JAL

[DYLIN]

25 747-400 ??? 4 was the rumor for those of us on the A/C 3 months ago. I doubt very much we would be more than doubling our fleet as DAL needs to learn how to maintain an run the ones they have first ,at least at JFK.

Walking through JFK a week ago I noticed a LOT of people standing around one spot...JFK-NRT: cancelled! 403 HKs.

 

[Palmtree Pilot]

Flew on Cathay a few years back. Great service. Excellent Airline!!

ABSOLUTELY the worst seats in the industry, worldwide. Even worse than the US airlines that have seat cushions that are worthless from being broken down for decades of increasing American body weight. Got stuck in the back from LAX to HKG on a 773 because it was so much cheaper than anything else. The seats don't really recline, they just slide forward giving you less room for your legs and more chance of a sore neck.

PtP

 

[FBN0223]

ABSOLUTELY the worst seats in the industry, worldwide. Even worse than the US airlines that have seat cushions that are worthless from being broken down for decades of increasing American body weight. Got stuck in the back from LAX to HKG on a 773 because it was so much cheaper than anything else. The seats don't really recline, they just slide forward giving you less room for your legs and more chance of a sore neck.

PtP

Sounds below par in coach. I was in 1st Class and didn't venture back there.

 

[GogglesPisano]

Walking through JFK a week ago I noticed a LOT of people standing around one spot...JFK-NRT: cancelled! 403 HKs.

I saw that as well. The line must have stretched for a 300 yards. And they were so polite.

 

[filejw]

I saw that as well. The line must have stretched for a 300 yards. And they were so polite.

Especially when you compare them to the folks headed to TLV later that day who got canceled too. Over two days we IROP like 1600 folks, won't be in business long doing that.The leadership and decision making at JFK are just so poor its scary.

 

[jonjuan]

I saw that as well. The line must have stretched for a 300 yards. And they were so polite.

And the gate agents announcement, "Ladies and gentlemen, we apologize for this minor inconvenience." (I kid you not-Many laughs out of that.)

 

[ACL65PILOT]

I never thought it would be 25 744's. Maybe 10 at the most.

 

[Tomct]

Well, Delta has NEVER been a big wide-body buyer. I mean, they had 39 L-1011's, which was their most for that class of airplane. They never exceeded 18 MD-11's and their biggest mistake was not buying a TON of 777's. They need to buy 777's like they bought 767's. I hope it works out for you guys, but unless they change that kind of thinking...UAL/CAL will eat your lunch in the Pacific. Good Luck!

 

[ACL65PILOT]

DAL gets that, and with the HND routes and the times of service they will need at least five more jets if they do not want to pull service from other cities.

 

[Citrus531]

Well, Delta has NEVER been a big wide-body buyer. I mean, they had 39 L-1011's, which was their most for that class of airplane. They never exceeded 18 MD-11's and their biggest mistake was not buying a TON of 777's. They need to buy 777's like they bought 767's. I hope it works out for you guys, but unless they change that kind of thinking...UAL/CAL will eat your lunch in the Pacific. Good Luck!

The L1011 fleet peaked at 56 airframes back in the mid 90s I believe.

 

[AnimalTale]

Well, Delta has NEVER been a big wide-body buyer. I mean, they had 39 L-1011's, which was their most for that class of airplane. They never exceeded 18 MD-11's and their biggest mistake was not buying a TON of 777's. They need to buy 777's like they bought 767's. I hope it works out for you guys, but unless they change that kind of thinking...UAL/CAL will eat your lunch in the Pacific. Good Luck!

Im sure they will be fine.

CYA

 

[twobits]

Let's buy an outdated airplane, from an airline that just declared bankruptcy, and in this bankruptcy is getting rid of predominately the 747-400. Take the hand away from your face, and start looking ahead and hoping for slow and steady growth that also renews the fleet. Watch for a base realignment next Winter and hope that retirements continue so that DL does not furlough. Pessimistic? nope, just realistic.

 

[filejw]

Let's buy an outdated airplane, from an airline that just declared bankruptcy, and in this bankruptcy is getting rid of predominately the 747-400. Take the hand away from your face, and start looking ahead and hoping for slow and steady growth that also renews the fleet. Watch for a base realignment next Winter and hope that retirements continue so that DL does not furlough. Pessimistic? nope, just realistic.

FYI the guys running this place are the same folks the still have us flying DC9's. Outdated is a bit much as 744 will have place for a while at DAL, IE. high volume, hi yield and maybe that change of gauge on different days of the week they talk about.. 4 A/C maybe 25 I want some of the stuff you guys are smoking.

 

[General Lee]

Let's buy an outdated airplane, from an airline that just declared bankruptcy, and in this bankruptcy is getting rid of predominately the 747-400. Take the hand away from your face, and start looking ahead and hoping for slow and steady growth that also renews the fleet. Watch for a base realignment next Winter and hope that retirements continue so that DL does not furlough. Pessimistic? nope, just realistic.

You are being unrealistic. DL will have plenty of retirements coming up, primarily because senior NWA folk don't want to go to 65. All of the retirement numbers are based off of age 65, which most will not make. Is the 744 really out dated? Not really, and in good times does very well for DL. Oil is not over $100 a barrel, (still going down with recent stock market dips) and Boeing OWES DL big money for 787 delays. Recent profits have been used to pay off debt and make capital expenditures that are needed. MD90s are very cheap and efficient. Try to be a bit more optimistic.


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[filejw]

You are being unrealistic. DL will have plenty of retirements coming up, primarily because senior NWA folk don't want to go to 65. All of the retirement numbers are based off of age 65, which most will not make. Is the 744 really out dated? Not really, and in good times does very well for DL. Oil is not over $100 a barrel, (still going down with recent stock market dips) and Boeing OWES DL big money for 787 delays. Recent profits have been used to pay off debt and make capital expenditures that are needed. MD90s are very cheap and efficient. Try to be a bit more optimistic.


Bye Bye---General Lee

FYI, Almost half the folks ahead of me on the 744 are over sixty.Don't think they will go to 65 , 63 maybe.

 

[General Lee]

FYI, Almost half the folks ahead of me on the 744 are over sixty.Don't think they will go to 65 , 63 maybe.

That's what I mean. A lot of the retirement numbers are based off of people leaving at 65, and both you and I don't think many will continue all the way to 65. Most will probably go to 62 or 63.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[Lucky Strike]

I read somewhere that most are retiring at 62.5. I'm not too worried about them raising the retirement age again...I don't think most guys can make it medically much further.

 

[ACL65PILOT]

Do not forget that the HND flights were awarded with the stipulation that they would be flown on a 747.

 

[General Lee]

Do not forget that the HND flights were awarded with the stipulation that they would be flown on a 747.

Delta's first choice was SEA to HND on an A330, which was rejected. You are correct though, the reason (as stated by the Sec of Transportation) DL did receive 2 of the 4 slots was because of the 744 and the amount of seats DL could provide for the limited slots available. I don't know if A330s could be used to replace the 744s eventually, or if DL has to maintain 744s on the routes permanently.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[nwaf16dude]

cant do DTW-HND with a 330 until they get the over 12 hour crew rest facility figured out.