Is Delta getting 747's from JAL

[jdubya]

Good info....it's hard to believe sometimes that management actually (supposedly) hashes this stuff out.

 

[FBN0223]

I have heard some rumors that the lease rates were too good to pass up.

Heard the same thing regarding lease rates. Also we're going to need the extra lift to compete with CAL/UAL in the pacific.

 

[General Lee]

IF and If you guys got 25 747's or even 10 for that matter, would it really be good long term if there is no replacement for them ordered? Wouldnt it lead to a bunch of hiring for a plane that requires a lot of crews but then if the economy doesnt recover it would lead to a lot of furloughs later. Wouldnt it be better to slowly grow by either ordering more 777's or 747-800's at a slower pace? I am not a business major, just saying

There are plenty of retirements in the next few year to make up for that. Those leases, if it happens, would probably be 5 or more years in length, and there will be plenty of pilots leaving within that time. Some upcoming years have 800 or more retirements scheduled for that year alone, and every guy that leaves means 13 people moving up an aircraft or seat position. And, a used airplane with years to go is probably cheaper than buying a new one and waiting for the certification. That would be great if this comes to fruition.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[Raoul Duke]

Would they go to Pinnacle or Transstates?

 

[NuGuy]

Heyas,

With the world wide economy, and most especially the domestic economy, ready to deflate like a cheap beach toy, I'd be really pretty doubtful of this. Especially the number. 5 maybe, 10 maybe not, 25 no way. Maybe 25 total endstate fleet.

I will conceed they have the sim support to ramp up to a total fleet higher than that. They run the 330 program (32 hulls) with 2 sims. I want to say they have 4 744 sims.

I don't think it would be a net gain, anyway. If you are going to load up on 744s, you are going to displace some narrowbodies out in the beach/interport markets. Those 75/76s are going to have to go somewhere, and I don't think the domestic market can absorb that lift.

Now if you are going to make an agressive push to displace CALMike while they are all tied up in merger stuff, THAT might account for it, but that would take an extraordinarily agressive marketing move...something I don't think any of us as seen from this or previous managements.

Nu

 

[jonjuan]

True, but DL could possibly get them and then use some to rotate out DL's current 744s to get new PTV's for each seat, while keeping the current schedule intact. The current 744s need audio and visual upgrades to compete with Singapore Airlines etc in the IFE department, and after announcing Haneda service from DTW and LAX, there are no spares to rotate in. Also, the new scheduled service leaves little room for MAC charters for the Government, which are lucrative too. DL hasn't even started the HND service yet.


Bye Bye--General Lee

Gonna need more than PTV "audio and visual" upgrades to compete with Singapore, there junior. Crews will also need to be "audiolly and visually" upgraded as well. . Just sayin'.

 

[ACL65PILOT]

I do not see 25 either. I see maybe nine more to get to a fleet of 25. That is the ideal number for marketing.
In Asia, the power of four is king, and DAL knows that. The 777 may be great for DAL, but the Asian markets like four engined jets.

I would suspect a short lease term on these. (5-10 years tops)

I know that Boeing is looking for a home for these jets, and DAL has been asked if they would want them. The rates are rumored to be good enough to take on the jet with the added fuel costs. Will they? Maybe. No announcement means DAL is trying to wait as long as possible before committing. Why? The economy stupid.

 

[Going2Baja]

Heard the same thing regarding lease rates. Also we're going to need the extra lift to compete with CAL/UAL in the pacific.

We heard this over & over in indoc last week. The Co wants A LOT more lift capability and soon. They are also VERY stoked on the deals they are getting for the MD-90's. Everything seems to point to a 'New Delta' mentality regarding running the Co. Aircraft for cheap, keep the employees happy, keep the pax returning is what we heard over & over. I hope it's true.

Baja.

 

[nwaf16dude]

I like this rumor, I think I'll spread it. Even just 5 more would create huge upward movement. Hopefully enough to get me off reserve. I'm very skeptical, of course.

 

[NuGuy]

I do not see 25 either. I see maybe nine more to get to a fleet of 25. That is the ideal number for marketing.
In Asia, the power of four is king, and DAL knows that. The 777 may be great for DAL, but the Asian markets like four engined jets.

I would suspect a short lease term on these. (5-10 years tops)

I know that Boeing is looking for a home for these jets, and DAL has been asked if they would want them. The rates are rumored to be good enough to take on the jet with the added fuel costs. Will they? Maybe. No announcement means DAL is trying to wait as long as possible before committing. Why? The economy stupid.

Heyas ACL,

I would place this just on the inside of the plausibility envelope.

Just.

Nu

 

[Diesel-9]

Had heard a little while back company would like 20-24 744's. Maybe more now with the enviornment. Might also replace some of the original a/c. Could also be a shorter term lease until 787-900's start delivery. Good news if true. There are recent rumors also the Sept. A.E. is having some more 744 positions. AND, the Stew's are getting older (and heavier) and many are projected to need 4 motors to get them airborne. Packs Off T/O mandatory for narrowbody T/O's with these senior babes.

 

[knightflyer]

Had heard a little while back company would like 20-24 744's. Maybe more now with the enviornment. Might also replace some of the original a/c. Could also be a shorter term lease until 787-900's start delivery. Good news if true. There are recent rumors also the Sept. A.E. is having some more 744 positions. AND, the Stew's are getting older (and heavier) and many are projected to need 4 motors to get them airborne. Packs Off T/O mandatory for narrowbody T/O's with these senior babes.

:laugh::beer:
Never have I heard more truer words....

 

[General Lee]

Had heard a little while back company would like 20-24 744's. Maybe more now with the enviornment. Might also replace some of the original a/c. Could also be a shorter term lease until 787-900's start delivery. Good news if true. There are recent rumors also the Sept. A.E. is having some more 744 positions. AND, the Stew's are getting older (and heavier) and many are projected to need 4 motors to get them airborne. Packs Off T/O mandatory for narrowbody T/O's with these senior babes.

When talking about the "-400s" to North and South crews, sometimes people get a bit confused. The 744-400 is common to the North guys, while the 767-400 is common to the South. Someone recently explained a simple way to differentiate between the two so both North and South guys know which plane is being talked about.

A 744 will now be called a 4X4 (4 engines), and the 764 is a 2X4 (2 engines). It just makes the conversations more understandable. And, I hope DL gets a bunch more 4X4s. For those of you mentally challenged, that is called a 4 by 4.


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[Launchpad]

no mention of any 747's in the ra ra ra speech yesterday in class. MD 90's, yes. 747's, NO.

 

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