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pilotyip
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Tution Reimbursement anyone
USA Jet has an employee tution reimbursement progrm, many of our pilots use it for both the BA/BS and Masters. It goes along with proving the CASS program for our pilots, it one of things you do to make it the best place possible to work in its segment of the industry. BTW bubbers ignore G200 and Capt Mark they are both kids in their thirties and have a ways to go to have any hindsite. BTW (2) G-200 how is the CASS program woking at your place.
USA Jet has an employee tution reimbursement progrm, many of our pilots use it for both the BA/BS and Masters. It goes along with proving the CASS program for our pilots, it one of things you do to make it the best place possible to work in its segment of the industry. BTW bubbers ignore G200 and Capt Mark they are both kids in their thirties and have a ways to go to have any hindsite. BTW (2) G-200 how is the CASS program woking at your place.
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Let me give you the background on the college degree thing. I do not judge a man by his degree, where he lives, or what he does for a living. I judge a man on the content of his character. I find the college degrees only crowd here, a bit arrogant, a smacking of if you do not have a degree you are not as good as me. I know too many people who are successful and fine men who do not have a degrees, I know many people with degrees who will never make any impact upon anything. I know too many pilots without degrees who I consider some of the most successful people I know I admire them and the lives they have built. So I bait, about the non-importance of the college degree in this business. I think this sets off the college degree only crowd because it distorts their view of what they have done. Secondarily my pilot heroes did not have college degrees and they performed feats that would test the metal of anyone. They flew in WWII, George Bush I in the Pacific, the 10,000’s of B-17 and B-24 pilots in Europe, and the C-46 pilots over the hump in China. I meet these guys on the air show circuit, they come to see the C-47 and B-17, and I ask them about their adventures during the war. I am in awe of what they did. How can anyone say these guys without degrees were not as good as today’s degreed pilots?
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Well I guess one thing for sure is that a degree does not teach class! G200 and CaptMark, you guys are such studs! You get on these boards and spout off your opinions so matter of factly! People have reasons for not going to college, maybe money, kids or others.
CapMark, why did you ignore my comment? Hired a FedEx at 25 with no Military, come on like you did'nt know someone, maybe Daddy?
You guys both should be proud of your positions in life, very impressive, but come on guys why the need to make others feel like crap? Your wife looking for something you don't have? Maybe you think you can find it here!
For me I have no degree and love my life! I will never be CaptMark at Fed Ex but so what, not my type of flying. I don't even like this career, its full of hassel, disapointment, backstabbing and greed to name a few.
To each his own!
BTW, CaptMark how have you been at Fed Ex for 11 yrs and only have 8000 hours? Wait, Must have been the degree!
CapMark, why did you ignore my comment? Hired a FedEx at 25 with no Military, come on like you did'nt know someone, maybe Daddy?
You guys both should be proud of your positions in life, very impressive, but come on guys why the need to make others feel like crap? Your wife looking for something you don't have? Maybe you think you can find it here!
For me I have no degree and love my life! I will never be CaptMark at Fed Ex but so what, not my type of flying. I don't even like this career, its full of hassel, disapointment, backstabbing and greed to name a few.
To each his own!
BTW, CaptMark how have you been at Fed Ex for 11 yrs and only have 8000 hours? Wait, Must have been the degree!
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well fyi..fedex pilots only average about 250 to 350 hours a year...does that explain it...and a degree was a requirement to get hired..so back to the original question...get your degree if u have the means and good luck!...and i am so happy..living the dream...just responding to comments..no big deal...i hope u guys are all happy doing what u r doing...if you feel bad..sorry....u should have gotten that degree...and class...u r right..don't have any..just a dirtbag trash hauler who was ridiculed for wanting to work at fedex some years ago....enjoy the rest of your weekend...it is a beautiful night in socal on my 3 day layover..time for a cigar...
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I hear what you're saying bubbers, but on the same token...if I was to grab a just ready to retire mainline guy and asked them about the job market and how to apply, they wouldn't have a clue.bubbers44 said:
It doesn't mean they are dumb, it just means they are far removed from the reality that most of us upward looking technicians face today. It's the same with any career. Ask any Police or Fire department employee that possesses the rank of Sgt or above how to get a job in their field and they'll have to get a google to answer your question.
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Hey yip,
just turned 25.... 4500 TT, 3000 ME, 2500 jet, 1100 jet PIC.
Bachelor's degree finished in May 2003- non aviation degree, graduated college with 1700 hours from instructing and flying charter.
Working on shoving my foot in the door at a certain large freight carrier...
Argument about getting alot more flying time if you just fly and don't get the degree doesn't really hold up, right?
just turned 25.... 4500 TT, 3000 ME, 2500 jet, 1100 jet PIC.
Bachelor's degree finished in May 2003- non aviation degree, graduated college with 1700 hours from instructing and flying charter.
Working on shoving my foot in the door at a certain large freight carrier...
Argument about getting alot more flying time if you just fly and don't get the degree doesn't really hold up, right?
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Good for You
Good for you peanut, you are an exception. My age 25 example is one year away from finishing his degree and has close to the same flight and no debt. Plus the company has been paying for a lot of his schooling. But best of luck to you, there are many ways to skin a cat.
Good for you peanut, you are an exception. My age 25 example is one year away from finishing his degree and has close to the same flight and no debt. Plus the company has been paying for a lot of his schooling. But best of luck to you, there are many ways to skin a cat.
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I just realize that I'm a total looser reading those 8 pages at this time of night, discussing absolutely nothing. And now I even feel compelled to give my 2 cents worth in this thread. Sad indeed.:bawling: Just can't help my self.
I completely agree with G200 and Capt.Mark. It would have been nice to some if their replies were formulated differently.:blush: Both of them are trying to get across a point and that is that an aspiring pilot can do better in today’s aviation job market by obtaining at the minimum a 4-year degree.
Capt.Mark & G200 are not saying that pilots without degrees are in any way less of a pilot or human being for that matter. A degree does not make you fly any better. However, it CAN open more doors for a pilot in the future IF the pilot in question chooses to do so and has met all of the other requirements the hiring corporation has set for new hires.
In order to get a flying job, you don't necessarily need to obtain a 4-year degree. As a matter of fact, it is very possible to get a rewarding flying job without one. But for the pilots that have always dreamed of flying for a major airline like FedEx for example, not having obtained that 4-year degree will disqualify you for even being able to obtain an interview let alone get hired. Keep on dreaming.
If flying for FedEx or the like is not your cup of tea, then that's fine. I'm sure you can be very happy not flying for FedEx. It is also fine to make less money if you so desire. Also nothing wrong with that. Just be happy!
Just don't tell young new pilots not to finish a degree they have been working on or aspiring pilots not to bother getting a degree just because you are happy with your current situation as far as your employment is concerned or life. Instead encourage them to go get that degree because it MIGHT make them more marketable in the future and MIGHT open some big doors for them in the future that would otherwise be closed.
If you cannot obtain a degree because you lack the funds or for whatever reason, you can still be a successful pilot with a rewarding career, no doubt about it in my humble opinion. Try and get a degree online if you can and wish to open that door that is now closed.
Cheers :beer: ,
Alex
PS: Read this excellent article about College and Why you should go in AOPA's Online Magazine. http://www.aopa.org/learntofly/startfly/whycollege.html
Just scratch out the word Aviation in Aviation College.
I completely agree with G200 and Capt.Mark. It would have been nice to some if their replies were formulated differently.:blush: Both of them are trying to get across a point and that is that an aspiring pilot can do better in today’s aviation job market by obtaining at the minimum a 4-year degree.
Capt.Mark & G200 are not saying that pilots without degrees are in any way less of a pilot or human being for that matter. A degree does not make you fly any better. However, it CAN open more doors for a pilot in the future IF the pilot in question chooses to do so and has met all of the other requirements the hiring corporation has set for new hires.
In order to get a flying job, you don't necessarily need to obtain a 4-year degree. As a matter of fact, it is very possible to get a rewarding flying job without one. But for the pilots that have always dreamed of flying for a major airline like FedEx for example, not having obtained that 4-year degree will disqualify you for even being able to obtain an interview let alone get hired. Keep on dreaming.
If flying for FedEx or the like is not your cup of tea, then that's fine. I'm sure you can be very happy not flying for FedEx. It is also fine to make less money if you so desire. Also nothing wrong with that. Just be happy!
Just don't tell young new pilots not to finish a degree they have been working on or aspiring pilots not to bother getting a degree just because you are happy with your current situation as far as your employment is concerned or life. Instead encourage them to go get that degree because it MIGHT make them more marketable in the future and MIGHT open some big doors for them in the future that would otherwise be closed.
If you cannot obtain a degree because you lack the funds or for whatever reason, you can still be a successful pilot with a rewarding career, no doubt about it in my humble opinion. Try and get a degree online if you can and wish to open that door that is now closed.
Cheers :beer: ,
Alex
PS: Read this excellent article about College and Why you should go in AOPA's Online Magazine. http://www.aopa.org/learntofly/startfly/whycollege.html
Just scratch out the word Aviation in Aviation College.
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capt M and 1013, I know too many non-degreed pilots making the $100K number, some in their 20's. They appear happy, if they are happy, then others may find happiness following the same path to such places as AirTran, JetBlue and SWA. Airlines that do not let the degree stand in the way of hiring the right pilot. Go to school if you want, but do not judge someone who elects to pursue a different path.
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...Okay, I'll admit it, I did have fun! :laugh:
PilotYip, you are still not getting it. Nobody is saying that you can not be happy without a college degree or that you can not make $100K+ as a pilot in your 20's without that degree.
All we are saying is give peace a chance
. But seriously, all we are saying is that some doors will be closed to a person without that stupid degree. That's all. Nothing more, nothing less.
PilotYip, you are still not getting it. Nobody is saying that you can not be happy without a college degree or that you can not make $100K+ as a pilot in your 20's without that degree.
All we are saying is give peace a chance
. But seriously, all we are saying is that some doors will be closed to a person without that stupid degree. That's all. Nothing more, nothing less.
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Do whatever, but it is not stupid.
If person wants a degree they should by all means get a degree. If a person does not want a degree, then they should also be supported in their decision to go about a different career pursuit. However it seems on this board the only path one can pursue without being told how stupid they are, is the college only route. To get a degree run up big debt and only do it to check a box on 1 out of 100 applications seems counter productive to me. But then I am old fashioned and do not care if anyone has a degree or not.
If person wants a degree they should by all means get a degree. If a person does not want a degree, then they should also be supported in their decision to go about a different career pursuit. However it seems on this board the only path one can pursue without being told how stupid they are, is the college only route. To get a degree run up big debt and only do it to check a box on 1 out of 100 applications seems counter productive to me. But then I am old fashioned and do not care if anyone has a degree or not.
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