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Is a pilot worth anything without a degree?
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PeanuckleCRJ
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Hey yip,
just turned 25.... 4500 TT, 3000 ME, 2500 jet, 1100 jet PIC.
Bachelor's degree finished in May 2003- non aviation degree, graduated college with 1700 hours from instructing and flying charter.
Working on shoving my foot in the door at a certain large freight carrier...
Argument about getting alot more flying time if you just fly and don't get the degree doesn't really hold up, right?
just turned 25.... 4500 TT, 3000 ME, 2500 jet, 1100 jet PIC.
Bachelor's degree finished in May 2003- non aviation degree, graduated college with 1700 hours from instructing and flying charter.
Working on shoving my foot in the door at a certain large freight carrier...
Argument about getting alot more flying time if you just fly and don't get the degree doesn't really hold up, right?
pilotyip
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Good for You
Good for you peanut, you are an exception. My age 25 example is one year away from finishing his degree and has close to the same flight and no debt. Plus the company has been paying for a lot of his schooling. But best of luck to you, there are many ways to skin a cat.
Good for you peanut, you are an exception. My age 25 example is one year away from finishing his degree and has close to the same flight and no debt. Plus the company has been paying for a lot of his schooling. But best of luck to you, there are many ways to skin a cat.
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1013dot25hPa
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I just realize that I'm a total looser reading those 8 pages at this time of night, discussing absolutely nothing. And now I even feel compelled to give my 2 cents worth in this thread. Sad indeed.:bawling: Just can't help my self.
I completely agree with G200 and Capt.Mark. It would have been nice to some if their replies were formulated differently.:blush: Both of them are trying to get across a point and that is that an aspiring pilot can do better in today’s aviation job market by obtaining at the minimum a 4-year degree.
Capt.Mark & G200 are not saying that pilots without degrees are in any way less of a pilot or human being for that matter. A degree does not make you fly any better. However, it CAN open more doors for a pilot in the future IF the pilot in question chooses to do so and has met all of the other requirements the hiring corporation has set for new hires.
In order to get a flying job, you don't necessarily need to obtain a 4-year degree. As a matter of fact, it is very possible to get a rewarding flying job without one. But for the pilots that have always dreamed of flying for a major airline like FedEx for example, not having obtained that 4-year degree will disqualify you for even being able to obtain an interview let alone get hired. Keep on dreaming.
If flying for FedEx or the like is not your cup of tea, then that's fine. I'm sure you can be very happy not flying for FedEx. It is also fine to make less money if you so desire. Also nothing wrong with that. Just be happy!
Just don't tell young new pilots not to finish a degree they have been working on or aspiring pilots not to bother getting a degree just because you are happy with your current situation as far as your employment is concerned or life. Instead encourage them to go get that degree because it MIGHT make them more marketable in the future and MIGHT open some big doors for them in the future that would otherwise be closed.
If you cannot obtain a degree because you lack the funds or for whatever reason, you can still be a successful pilot with a rewarding career, no doubt about it in my humble opinion. Try and get a degree online if you can and wish to open that door that is now closed.
Cheers :beer: ,
Alex
PS: Read this excellent article about College and Why you should go in AOPA's Online Magazine. http://www.aopa.org/learntofly/startfly/whycollege.html
Just scratch out the word Aviation in Aviation College.
I completely agree with G200 and Capt.Mark. It would have been nice to some if their replies were formulated differently.:blush: Both of them are trying to get across a point and that is that an aspiring pilot can do better in today’s aviation job market by obtaining at the minimum a 4-year degree.
Capt.Mark & G200 are not saying that pilots without degrees are in any way less of a pilot or human being for that matter. A degree does not make you fly any better. However, it CAN open more doors for a pilot in the future IF the pilot in question chooses to do so and has met all of the other requirements the hiring corporation has set for new hires.
In order to get a flying job, you don't necessarily need to obtain a 4-year degree. As a matter of fact, it is very possible to get a rewarding flying job without one. But for the pilots that have always dreamed of flying for a major airline like FedEx for example, not having obtained that 4-year degree will disqualify you for even being able to obtain an interview let alone get hired. Keep on dreaming.
If flying for FedEx or the like is not your cup of tea, then that's fine. I'm sure you can be very happy not flying for FedEx. It is also fine to make less money if you so desire. Also nothing wrong with that. Just be happy!
Just don't tell young new pilots not to finish a degree they have been working on or aspiring pilots not to bother getting a degree just because you are happy with your current situation as far as your employment is concerned or life. Instead encourage them to go get that degree because it MIGHT make them more marketable in the future and MIGHT open some big doors for them in the future that would otherwise be closed.
If you cannot obtain a degree because you lack the funds or for whatever reason, you can still be a successful pilot with a rewarding career, no doubt about it in my humble opinion. Try and get a degree online if you can and wish to open that door that is now closed.
Cheers :beer: ,
Alex
PS: Read this excellent article about College and Why you should go in AOPA's Online Magazine. http://www.aopa.org/learntofly/startfly/whycollege.html
Just scratch out the word Aviation in Aviation College.
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capt M and 1013, I know too many non-degreed pilots making the $100K number, some in their 20's. They appear happy, if they are happy, then others may find happiness following the same path to such places as AirTran, JetBlue and SWA. Airlines that do not let the degree stand in the way of hiring the right pilot. Go to school if you want, but do not judge someone who elects to pursue a different path.
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...Okay, I'll admit it, I did have fun! :laugh:
PilotYip, you are still not getting it. Nobody is saying that you can not be happy without a college degree or that you can not make $100K+ as a pilot in your 20's without that degree.
All we are saying is give peace a chance
. But seriously, all we are saying is that some doors will be closed to a person without that stupid degree. That's all. Nothing more, nothing less.
PilotYip, you are still not getting it. Nobody is saying that you can not be happy without a college degree or that you can not make $100K+ as a pilot in your 20's without that degree.
All we are saying is give peace a chance
. But seriously, all we are saying is that some doors will be closed to a person without that stupid degree. That's all. Nothing more, nothing less.
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Do whatever, but it is not stupid.
If person wants a degree they should by all means get a degree. If a person does not want a degree, then they should also be supported in their decision to go about a different career pursuit. However it seems on this board the only path one can pursue without being told how stupid they are, is the college only route. To get a degree run up big debt and only do it to check a box on 1 out of 100 applications seems counter productive to me. But then I am old fashioned and do not care if anyone has a degree or not.
If person wants a degree they should by all means get a degree. If a person does not want a degree, then they should also be supported in their decision to go about a different career pursuit. However it seems on this board the only path one can pursue without being told how stupid they are, is the college only route. To get a degree run up big debt and only do it to check a box on 1 out of 100 applications seems counter productive to me. But then I am old fashioned and do not care if anyone has a degree or not.
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