iPad as an EFB

[semperfido]

you try em both?

 

[pilot error]

We are trying to get our EFBs approved from our POI. He's onboard with it and since EJM did all the pressure testing, he will get all that data from them. He still wants EMI data from our DOM, which isnt too hard. The hard part is sifting thru all the 8900 info. There are lots of little rules pertaining to installation (is it attached?) are there plugs available in the cockpit for recharging? How charged does the battery before takeoff? What contigencies are there if they fail?

It's a little unclear but we are going to have to carry paper for six months.

I have used the old EFBs and the iPad is a million times better!

I'm guessing you already have iPads? Will you have to go through the entire approval process again if and when you go to ipad2s, or whatever generation they are on when it's time to replace the iPads?

 

[guido411]

Perhaps all the POI, OpSpec, mounting method, decompression testing talk should be saved for the Charter section of FI. Correct me if I'm wrong but there is no "approval" needed by a Part 91 operator needed so long as the AC 91-78 and AC 120-76B are read and followed during implementation.

A Part 91 flight department ought to be able to buy a couple iPads, install the chart viewer of their preference, train pilots on the software in the way they see fit, back the info up with paper for an unspecified amount of time while evaluating any conflicts to communication/navigation the PED may create, then ditch the paper.

 

[JJET44]

What would you guys say the Economic and non-economic benefits are to having the IPAD in the cockpit? Doing a justification for downtown.

Just got off the phone with Jepp.

$783.00 for CONUS charts on Mobile TC plus $70.00 for Paper enroute. This vs $2100.00 for all Q-Service paper, saving about $1250 a year, minus the cost of 3G service if you choose to go that way.
Now you can take that $70.00 a year and get Foreflight and get enroute charts and a whole lot more for about the same price.
The ipad with Jepp Mobile TC will pay for itself in a years time.


Oh and BTW Jepp is working on putting charts and Geographic referencing on the charts. Told me to look for it by 4Q this year. They've been overwhelmed with requests.

 

[JJET44]

Anybody having trouble getting a GPS signal with a Bad Elf GPS through electrically heated windscreens?

 

[waddawurld]

Anybody give any thought to EU countries (read France) acceptance of all this? I'd hate to leave the paper at home, get a frog ramp check & be up the creek...

 

[JJET44]

anyone else having a problem with the ForeFlight database. i just updated my ipad with the latest version and it dumped my database. This is the second time!

 

[ultrarunner]

Downloading the entire foreflight db as I type this.....

 

[pilot error]

Anybody having trouble getting a GPS signal with a Bad Elf GPS through electrically heated windscreens?

I have a Gns 5870, the Bluetooth receiver and haven't had an issue. I decided on it over the bad elf because it has it's own battery. Yesterday it was showing within 1 kt of the fms gs, and within 5' or so for altitude, through a heated windscreen.

Maybe the bad elf is affected more based on where the iPad is, as they are connected?

 

[Bleeds On]

Oh and BTW Jepp is working on putting charts and Geographic referencing on the charts.

Are you talking enroute charts? Hope so.

As for Foreflight, check to see how much space is available. If you're close to the limit, for some reason it can flip out. That's one place they really need to take notes from Jepp.

 

[bizjet800]

I'm guessing you already have iPads? Will you have to go through the entire approval process again if and when you go to ipad2s, or whatever generation they are on when it's time to replace the iPads?

I doubt you'll need another approval for the iPad 2. The FAA is way behind in this area. It seems having a device like this would be an easy instant approval.

 

[JJET44]

Are you talking enroute charts? Hope so.

As for Foreflight, check to see how much space is available. If you're close to the limit, for some reason it can flip out. That's one place they really need to take notes from Jepp.

Yeah Bleeds, they're working on including enroute with their mobile TC. They are also working on geographical referencing on their approach charts.

I haven't tried my bad elf out since I only got it on Thursday but will get to try it out tomorrow. I just wanted to be sure that I wasn't going to be disappointed with the electrically heated windscreens in the Challenger and have to return it.
I also bought a four foot 30 pin extension cable for the bad elf so that I could position it on the glare shield if needed.

Thx for your response Bleeds and I'll report back to this thread if it doesn't work for me.

 

[pilot error]

Yeah Bleeds, they're working on including enroute with their mobile TC. They are also working on geographical referencing on their approach charts.

I haven't tried my bad elf out since I only got it on Thursday but will get to try it out tomorrow. I just wanted to be sure that I wasn't going to be disappointed with the electrically heated windscreens in the Challenger and have to return it.
I also bought a four foot 30 pin extension cable for the bad elf so that I could position it on the glare shield if needed.

Thx for your response Bleeds and I'll report back to this thread if it doesn't work for me.

If the bad elf works half as well as the Bluetooth one does, you'll really like it. I'm using mine with foreflight, and it it works great.

 

[JJET44]

Awesome. Just got into ATL. Used the bad elf in the Challenger and it works great with one exception, it really sucks down the juice. Went from the Philly area to ATL and landed with 63% battery life. The flight was only 1:37.
If I have to go cost to cost, I'm gonna have to plug in.

The other thing was I never downloaded the IFR enroute so I was limited to the amount of coverage. No biggy, I fixed that now.
Other then that.......AWESOME!!!!!!!!!!!
My boss whom I fly with was so impressed that he doesn't want to wait to get the second one.

 

[pilot error]

if you are getting another one, the bluetooth one doesn't use the ipad's battery. it has it's own battery with a claimed life of 10 hours, which seems accurate.