Inverted Spin Recovery, what to do?

[AlbieF15]

...although I don't know anyone who has gotten all the way into a full flat spin, a few bros have departed Eagles from controled flight here and there. Beautiful jet--release control pressures and 99% of the time it recovers in about 360 degrees of gyration or less. Two steps at the end of the checklist need to be added:

1) go to pilot gym/restroom and clean out drawers

2) Review HUD tape in front of Ops O and tapdance...

 

[Sandwich]

Idle - Neutral - Aft - spinning left - needle left - right full rudder -stick steadily foward until spinning stops - recover from the dive


The idle is for power, Neutralize the rudders to get rid of the yaw input that put you into the spin. Move the stick aft, this is supposed to get you out of the inverted part of the spin. Check the spin direction, in this example a left spin, visually and with the turn needle (if you have one). Full oposite rudder. Stick foward to break the stall. Recover from the dive. Just remember to let out the rudder input when the spin stops or you can get two for the price of one.

letting go of the controls should also work in making the spin come back to right side up.

If I left anything out say something it has been 5 years since I have had to do this.

spoken like a true FAIP

 

[BeechScrub]

In the Phantom you just punched

An IP of mine told me how he got into two spins (not inverted) in the phantom and both times he deployed the drogue chute to recover. Ever know anyone who did this?

 

[pkober]

C-130 Inverted, or any, spin recovery.

"Hey co, look at the size of the tenticles on that one !"

CLAMBAKE

 

[Occam's Razor]

BreechScrub wrote: "An IP of mine told me how he got into two spins (not inverted) in the phantom and both times he deployed the drogue chute to recover. Ever know anyone who did this?"

Sure! While flying USMC F-4S's in Hawaii, we fought a flight of 4 HANG F-4's. One of HANG birds departed and whipped into a dandy little spin at about 18K'. He used the chute (it was in our recovery procedure) to get control.

The funniest part of the whole deal was my wingman calling shots on the poor guy as his biddies were shouting instructions to him!

"Fox 2 on the Mai Tai nose-low in the spin!"
"Neutralize!...Stick forward!...Use the chute!"

Great fun!

 

[SupaFly]

F-14B/D:

Stick -- Full aft, neutral lateral, harness locked
Both Throttles -- Idle
Rudder -- Opposite turn needle / yaw / spin arrow
If recvoery indicated:
Recover at 17 units AOA, thrust as required
If spinning below 10,000 ft AGL:
Eject -- RIO command eject

In the sim, you have to maintain pro-spin inputs to get inverted. I've tried rudder triplets with full aft stick in the sim and for some reason it goes inverted -- still can't figure that one out. As soon as you start programming the stick aft the jet goes upright and you're back to upright spin procedures. It doesn't always work that way in the actual aircraft:

http://www.history.navy.mil/nan/gramps/Gramps%201990s/1997/nd97/gramps.pdf

Afterwards, you clean your shorts and buy a fifth of scotch for the crew of the helo that picked you out of the water.

 

[Steeler Fan]

If I left anything out say something it has been 5 years since I have had to do this.

It's scary how much of the mighty Tweet is still permanently etched in our brains...
The old T-37 Spin boldface was actually 43 words--

Throttles--Idle
Rudder and Ailerons--Neutral
Stick--Abruptly full aft and hold
Rudder--Abruptly apply full Rudder opposite spin direction (opposite turn needle) and hold
Stick--Abruptly full forward one turn after applying rudder
Controls--Neutral after spinning stops and recover from dive


Idle--Reduce Gyroscopic effect of engines
Neutral rudder and ailerons--A starting point for inadvertant spin entries--Neutral rudder is also giving you some dpin desceleration--(Nowhere is it required to neutralize the elevator at this time)
Stick--Abruptly aft--Will initially descelerate an erect spin (***Will also take an inverted spin and turn it into an erect stall--This is where you stop the spin boldface and recover from the stall)
Rudder--After you apply full rudder, some spins actually stop before you get the 1 full turn--Neutralize the controls and recover--(Note** This is where as an IP you'd better be strapped in really tight because if the left seat pilot pushes full forward, you'll be smacking your head against the canopy)
Stick--Abrubtly full forward--Driving airplane into the spin recovery cone--If you do it fast enough, the spin gets really fast, then stops--If you drive too far past the recovery cone, you'll probably smack your helmet off of the canopy and may enter an inverted spin--If you're too casual/slow about it, the spin will accelerate, but actually the nose will not enter the spin recovery cone (check your altimeter and do the recovery again)
Power--As soon as you start to recover from the dive, start adding power to minimize altitude loss (and save energy)



YIKES!!!! I've got to stop now--I'm not a T-37 IP anymore, but I did stay in a Holiday Inn Express last night.

 

[mmase7]

Don't all these reply's tell you that it varies for most airplanes???? Think about it...