Inverted Spin Recovery, what to do?

dueguard1

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Can any military pilots chime in on this ..................had a student ask me what would be the recovery technique for an inverted spin?
 

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In the Tweet, we used to just let go, it would revert to a "normal" spin and then you could recover. In the Phantom you just punched
 

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dueguard1 said:
Can any military pilots chime in on this ..................had a student ask me what would be the recovery technique for an inverted spin?
In your average straight-wing airplane, stick forward, opposite rudder.
If you are not sure of which rudder to use, press on a pedal and if nothing happens, try the other one.
 

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It takes some work to get into an inverted spin. Many times the control imputs of the pilot are what holds it there. Depending on the configuration of the tail, the rudder can be useless in the inverted position. One of the key factors is to get air over the rudder. Any power could cause the aircraft to stay "flat" reducing the relative wind over the tail. So the first thing is to reduce the power to idle, next the recovery described above works pretty well.
 

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Idle - Neutral - Aft - spinning left - needle left - right full rudder -stick steadily foward until spinning stops - recover from the dive


The idle is for power, Neutralize the rudders to get rid of the yaw input that put you into the spin. Move the stick aft, this is supposed to get you out of the inverted part of the spin. Check the spin direction, in this example a left spin, visually and with the turn needle (if you have one). Full oposite rudder. Stick foward to break the stall. Recover from the dive. Just remember to let out the rudder input when the spin stops or you can get two for the price of one.

letting go of the controls should also work in making the spin come back to right side up.

If I left anything out say something it has been 5 years since I have had to do this.
 

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CobraKai said:
Idle - Neutral - Aft - spinning left - needle left - right full rudder -stick steadily foward until spinning stops - recover from the dive
If that doesn't work, try:

handgrips-raise/trigger-sqeeze/canopy/visor/mask/seat kit/LPU (if applicable)/4-line modification/steer into the wind/feet-knees-face :D
 

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CobraKai said:
Idle - Neutral - Aft - spinning left - needle left - right full rudder -stick steadily foward until spinning stops - recover from the dive


The idle is for power, Neutralize the rudders to get rid of the yaw input that put you into the spin. Move the stick aft, this is supposed to get you out of the inverted part of the spin. Check the spin direction, in this example a left spin, visually and with the turn needle (if you have one). Full oposite rudder. Stick foward to break the stall. Recover from the dive. Just remember to let out the rudder input when the spin stops or you can get two for the price of one.

letting go of the controls should also work in making the spin come back to right side up.

If I left anything out say something it has been 5 years since I have had to do this.

It's been longer for than that for me but I would add: first NEUTRALIZE - ANALYZE. Neutralize flight controls, reduce power to idle then analyze the situation to ensure that you are not in post stall gyrations before you start putting in pro-spin inputs. Cross checking the turn needle is imperative, it should be pegged if you are in a spin. Best of luck!
 

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Recovery from a fully developed inverted spin in the T-34C:
full opposite rudder
stick neutral
 

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My response to this situation....

Uhhh, sir, YOU HAVE THE AIRPLANE!

AAHHHHHHHH! We're all going to DIE!
 

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All in good humor, but....

.... I liked the "neutralize, then ANALYZE" suggestion....... hahaa.

LEFT SEAT: "Ok, we're neutral.... you think we're going to die?"
RIGHT SEAT: "Yep, I'd say so!"
LEFT SEAT: "Ok, you done analyzing?"
RIGHT SEAT: "Yep, I'm happy!"
LEFT SEAT: "Ok, me too!"

My suggestion would be to start pulling all the yellow handles in the cockpit... if those don't work, try the red ones.
 

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9GClub said:
.... I liked the "neutralize, then ANALYZE" suggestion....... hahaa.

LEFT SEAT: "Ok, we're neutral.... you think we're going to die?"
RIGHT SEAT: "Yep, I'd say so!"
LEFT SEAT: "Ok, you done analyzing?"
RIGHT SEAT: "Yep, I'm happy!"
LEFT SEAT: "Ok, me too!"

My suggestion would be to start pulling all the yellow handles in the cockpit... if those don't work, try the red ones.
Ever done an adverse yaw departure?
 

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Below 7000’ AGL
EJECT

Above 7000’ AGL
Flight controls – visually check neutral
Harness – lock
PCLs – idle
Speed brakes – in
Trim – 2-8 degrees nose up
AOA, airspeed, turn needle analyze

If recovery indicated and airspeed >150 knots - recover not to exceed 17 units.

If spin confirmed – initiate spin recovery procedures.
If hi-speed spiral confirmed – initiate hi-speed spiral recovery procedures.

Spin recovery
Flight controls - maintain neutral
Rudder - full opposite turn needle

When AOA breaks or rotation ceases
Rudder – neutralize

When airspeed >150 knots recover not to exceed 17 units

Passing 7000’ AGL recovery not indicated
EJECT

Hopefully that is word for word out of the manual. If not – I’m in trouble.
 

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<T-2C

Below 7000’ AGL
EJECT

Above 7000’ AGL
Flight controls – visually check neutral>

What about if you are AT 7,000 ' AGL??? <G>
 

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...although I don't know anyone who has gotten all the way into a full flat spin, a few bros have departed Eagles from controled flight here and there. Beautiful jet--release control pressures and 99% of the time it recovers in about 360 degrees of gyration or less. Two steps at the end of the checklist need to be added:

1) go to pilot gym/restroom and clean out drawers

2) Review HUD tape in front of Ops O and tapdance...
 

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CobraKai said:
Idle - Neutral - Aft - spinning left - needle left - right full rudder -stick steadily foward until spinning stops - recover from the dive


The idle is for power, Neutralize the rudders to get rid of the yaw input that put you into the spin. Move the stick aft, this is supposed to get you out of the inverted part of the spin. Check the spin direction, in this example a left spin, visually and with the turn needle (if you have one). Full oposite rudder. Stick foward to break the stall. Recover from the dive. Just remember to let out the rudder input when the spin stops or you can get two for the price of one.

letting go of the controls should also work in making the spin come back to right side up.

If I left anything out say something it has been 5 years since I have had to do this.
spoken like a true FAIP
 

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DFWFlowmo said:
In the Phantom you just punched
An IP of mine told me how he got into two spins (not inverted) in the phantom and both times he deployed the drogue chute to recover. Ever know anyone who did this?
 

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C-130 Inverted, or any, spin recovery.

"Hey co, look at the size of the tenticles on that one !"

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BreechScrub wrote: "An IP of mine told me how he got into two spins (not inverted) in the phantom and both times he deployed the drogue chute to recover. Ever know anyone who did this?"

Sure! While flying USMC F-4S's in Hawaii, we fought a flight of 4 HANG F-4's. One of HANG birds departed and whipped into a dandy little spin at about 18K'. He used the chute (it was in our recovery procedure) to get control.

The funniest part of the whole deal was my wingman calling shots on the poor guy as his biddies were shouting instructions to him!

"Fox 2 on the Mai Tai nose-low in the spin!"
"Neutralize!...Stick forward!...Use the chute!"


Great fun!
 
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