Interesting Blog on Netjets

[wacoflyr]

Now, go back to your mobile home in waco.

I don't live anywhere near there. Actually, I've just always had a thing for the Waco CTO taperwing.

 

[sshrae]

I don't live anywhere near there. Actually, I've just always had a thing for the Waco CTO taperwing.

I'm happy for you, now I'm off to the beach. adios.

 

[jpeace02]

The funny thing is I tried to contact management (of course if I went directly through my OS team I would probably get some contact quickly. Owners used to have a representative in the "Office of the Chairman" to field our complaints and problems. These people were called the "Owner's Ombudsmen". They are gone. Who knows where their emails go. I called the phone number for my "Ombudsman" and now just get a switchboard operator who since she did not know who to send the call to just took a message. I am actually waiting to see how long until I get a call. (Of course if it was an urgent or major issue I would go through my OS team or sales rep). I also used to get a random survey every 10+/- flights asking my opinion on everything from food to pilots to the FBO. I have not gotten a single survey since last summer -- and neither has any other owner I know. As I have posted before -- if you don't want to hear the answer don't ask the question. In the old days when I had an issue and called my Ombudsman I had answers and solutions within days. The facts were accurately researched. But that is when owners were job #1.

It's nice to hear some truth every once in a while on this site. Yes, I'm furloughed but you guys with NJA blinders on are annoying.

It's great we made money last quarter, but at what ultimate price? I have no idea if NJAowner is real or not but if this is a reflection of the current sentiment of owners.....

There's still a big question about the direction of the ship. Meanwhile Avantair is kicking the crap out of us in small aircraft. How does NJA operate in a 'pre-owned' aircraft market. Not saying we can't but it'd be real nice to see a plan.

 

[jonjuan]

Meanwhile Avantair is kicking the crap out of us in small aircraft. How does NJA operate in a 'pre-owned' aircraft market. Not saying we can't but it'd be real nice to see a plan.

Same way as flops The aircraft ain't getting any younger. No one is buying new airplanes.

 

[gutshotdraw]

No one is buying new airplanes.

Somebody is....


http://www.ainonline.com/news/singl...poised-for-double-digit-growth-in-2011-25121/

 

[netjetwife]

The funny thing is I tried to contact management (of course if I went directly through my OS team I would probably get some contact quickly. Owners used to have a representative in the "Office of the Chairman" to field our complaints and problems. These people were called the "Owner's Ombudsmen". They are gone. Who knows where their emails go. I called the phone number for my "Ombudsman" and now just get a switchboard operator who since she did not know who to send the call to just took a message. I am actually waiting to see how long until I get a call. (Of course if it was an urgent or major issue I would go through my OS team or sales rep). I also used to get a random survey every 10+/- flights asking my opinion on everything from food to pilots to the FBO. I have not gotten a single survey since last summer -- and neither has any other owner I know. As I have posted before -- if you don't want to hear the answer don't ask the question. In the old days when I had an issue and called my Ombudsman I had answers and solutions within days. The facts were accurately researched. But that is when owners were job #1.

'Owner, I fully support your decision to discuss your concerns with management. Client feedback is important and I think owners should feel free to send in the survey info without waiting to be asked. I hope they get back to you soon; it's the very least you deserve.

As always, I wish you and your family well.
NJW

 

[jppt2000]

Njaowner,

From our perspective, owner services is useless. Right now, everyone in the office is afraid to get fired and no one will say what needs to be said to Sokol. If you bring him bad news or disagree with him, it seems that you are now unemployed. Maybe not but that's what it looks like. Not that you should have to do this, but have you tried to email sokol directly?

Our perspective? As I've posted before, please speak for yourself.
You have no idea what really goes on behind the blackberry.

 

[jonjuan]

Somebody is....


http://www.ainonline.com/news/singl...poised-for-double-digit-growth-in-2011-25121/

Sorry, I meant in the U.S.

 

[gutshotdraw]

How's your Mandarin? Or Hindi?

 

[glasspilot]

<~~~~~ never interviewed at NetJets. Sorry to blow the "disgruntled and jealous" theroy.

 

[fly4funcrj]

Our perspective? As I've posted before, please speak for yourself.
You have no idea what really goes on behind the blackberry.

Not 100% of the time.. But I can and do visit upstairs. I have also seen PERSONALLY owner services cover up their mistakes. As of the past couple months, when the company drops the ball, an email goes directly to Sokol. So far, his response has been surprised. No I can't speak for everyone but you can speak for yourself as well. EVERY pilot I speak with shares the same opinion. We all have our opinions. Oh, I did work in the office for a bit I kinda have a clue..

 

[NJAowner]

Fly4crj -- as an owner, and based upon what I read this is the difference....

if the company made a mistake: RTS wanted to know about the mistake to make the owner feel wanted, appreciated and feel that it was an abnormality which would not happen again; new management wants to know about the mistake so that they could terminate the people involved.

Most owners have or do run business and realize mistakes happen. You correct them, apologize and learn from them so that the same mistake is not repeated. Everyone makes mistakes. And when are return for the mistake you are immediately offered a significant upgrade on a future flight -- all are happy. (Gee -- upgrade me from an Excel to a DA-2000 and that easily remedies a bunch). To me that sounds like old management. Under the new management, most employees are concerned with shifting blame or excusing their performance so that they retain their jobs. And the upgrade is not forthcoming -- you know it costs the company extra $$ which hits somebody's report.

Just my observation.

 

[jppt2000]

Not 100% of the time.. But I can and do visit upstairs. I have also seen PERSONALLY owner services cover up their mistakes. As of the past couple months, when the company drops the ball, an email goes directly to Sokol. So far, his response has been surprised. No I can't speak for everyone but you can speak for yourself as well. EVERY pilot I speak with shares the same opinion. We all have our opinions. Oh, I did work in the office for a bit I kinda have a clue..

One, two, maybe a dozen pilots, how can say the few instances you say you've seen are the norm?
I've personally seen them perform tremendously.
You appear to be on a mission to hurt or damage NJA.

 

[gunfyter]

NetJets always does this

One, two, maybe a dozen pilots, how can say the few instances you say you've seen are the norm?
I've personally seen them perform tremendously.
You appear to be on a mission to hurt or damage NJA.

Every day there are people behind the scenes making everything happen for us and our owners.... Handling issues we will never know existed because they are taken care of for us perfectly -- in most instances. When something doesn't go perfectly --- thats when you notice.

But i think its bad form to throw fellow employees under the bus on a public forum. its discusting actually.

 

[rajflyboy]

Not 100% of the time.. But I can and do visit upstairs. I have also seen PERSONALLY owner services cover up their mistakes. As of the past couple months, when the company drops the ball, an email goes directly to Sokol. So far, his response has been surprised. No I can't speak for everyone but you can speak for yourself as well. EVERY pilot I speak with shares the same opinion. We all have our opinions. Oh, I did work in the office for a bit I kinda have a clue..

Thats been going on forever. Not just under the DS watchdog program.

 

[sshrae]

<~~~~~ never interviewed at NetJets. Sorry to blow the "disgruntled and jealous" theroy.

They didn't call you for an interview because you have an accident on your record and you are a kook. You are still a coward behind a keyboard talking smack. Don't like it? Shoot me a pm next time you are in San Diego I would be glad to meet up and discuss what a coward you are in person.

 

[glasspilot]

Wow, you must be tough. Ya want to meet up? Whatever dude. This isn't high school and we're not going to meet after class to fight.

Also, I was offered an interview and politely turned it down.

 

[jppt2000]

They didn't call you for an interview because you have an accident on your record and you are a kook. You are still a coward behind a keyboard talking smack. Don't like it? Shoot me a pm next time you are in San Diego I would be glad to meet up and discuss what a coward you are in person.

Reminds me of Charley Murphy meeting up with Rick James to discuss his Unity ring.

 

[sshrae]

Wow, you must be tough. Ya want to meet up? Whatever dude. This isn't high school and we're not going to meet after class to fight.

Als, I was offered an interview and politely turned it down.

What I thought, another trash talker who can't back up anything. You were apparently raised to be a coward who trash talks anonymously on a computer. I feel sorry for your dad. You change your mind and grow a sack, I am based out of MYF at Gibbs. I would love for you to put your money where your mouth is chump.

 

[corpflunkie]

They didn't call you for an interview because you have an accident on your record and you are a kook. You are still a coward behind a keyboard talking smack. Don't like it? Shoot me a pm next time you are in San Diego I would be glad to meet up and discuss what a coward you are in person.

There are more than a few people that turned interviews down at the hallowed NJA. Back in '05, the $$ wasn't that great to start and bases were very limited. Those are two reasons I said thanks, but no thanks. Granted, about a year later, there was a definite palm to forehead moment. I am still happy where I'm at though.

 

[glasspilot]

What I thought, another trash talker who can't back up anything. You were apparently raised to be a coward who trash talks anonymously on a computer. I feel sorry for your dad. You change your mind and grow a sack, I am based out of MYF at Gibbs. I would love for you to put your money where your mouth is chump.

Why are you so violent? ...chump? ...coward? ...feel sorry for my dad?

Do you really work for NetJets? I don't think you qualify for a medical let alone fly for the pinnacle of fractional aviation where service is so revered. You seem very unstable to me, but hey, I'm not a licensed psychologist.

By the way, Gibbs is where I got my private license. I was (and still am) a member of the Armed Forces Aero Club. Used to fly those little green and white Cessnas around all of SoCal back in '95. I don't recall anyone calling me a coward or chump then. Everyone was very nice.

 

[sshrae]

Why are you so violent? ...chump? ...coward? ...feel sorry for my dad?

Do you really work for NetJets? I don't think you qualify for a medical let alone fly for the pinnacle of fractional aviation where service is so revered. You seem very unstable to me, but hey, I'm not a licensed psychologist.

By the way, Gibbs is where I got my private license. I was (and still am) a member of the Armed Forces Aero Club. Used to fly those little green and white Cessnas around all of SoCal back in '95. I don't recall anyone calling me a coward or chump then. Everyone was very nice.

I taught at gibbs in '95, I'll have to ask around about you, just don't like tools like you that troll the boards looking to start trouble. Probly the reason we didn't call you names is because everything negative you say is behind closed doors, anonymously. If you said things like that in public we would have had issues.

 

[glasspilot]

Scott Peterson was my instructor. Ask around if you want.

Personally I don't think I've been negative at all. Like I said, maybe I poke fun at all the crew meals from time to time, but so what? That really is small potatoes. That is the only "negative" thing I can think of ever posting about NetJets.

The only reason I even responded to this thread is cause the blog seemed germane to the entire frac industry...not just NetJets. And I mentioned that in my original post. Plus, it was written in an entirely different perspective, one that we never see here on these boards. Seemed relevant.

Once again, I do not hate on NetJets. I truly wish them the best. My company was doing much better BEFORE the woes that have befallen NJ. I look forward to those better times.

 

[jppt2000]

Scott Peterson was my instructor. Ask around if you want.

Personally I don't think I've been negative at all. Like I said, maybe I poke fun at all the crew meals from time to time, but so what? That really is small potatoes. That is the only "negative" thing I can think of ever posting about NetJets.

The only reason I even responded to this thread is cause the blog seemed germane to the entire frac industry...not just NetJets. And I mentioned that in my original post. Plus, it was written in an entirely different perspective, one that we never see here on these boards. Seemed relevant.

Once again, I do not hate on NetJets. I truly wish them the best. My company was doing much better BEFORE the woes that have befallen NJ. I look forward to those better times.

See what happens?, IMHO your tone has changed once you become aware someone knows your identity.

 

[sshrae]

There are more than a few people that turned interviews down at the hallowed NJA. Back in '05, the $$ wasn't that great to start and bases were very limited. Those are two reasons I said thanks, but no thanks. Granted, about a year later, there was a definite palm to forehead moment. I am still happy where I'm at though.

I agree, I wish I had hired on in 05 but took a job at frontier instead, we all saw how that worked out. Bottom line is even though I'm furloghed nja was still a great job that I might go back to someday, I have many friends there and I will continue to defend them against internet attacks. There are always reprecusions for what people say

 

[glasspilot]

See what happens?, IMHO your tone has changed once you become aware someone knows your identity.

That's not true. NetJets sux! See. No tone change.

Seriously, I have no idea what you're talking about. I've never posted against NJ. Posting on a thread that SOMEONE ELSE brought up is not a slam on NJ. Your owner posting negative thoughts about his experiences is not my fault or problem. I was simply pointing out an objective source that we NEVER get to see around here, and it had NOTHING to do with an actual customer of NetJets posting. It is odd that you single me out for saying what? ..."our whole industry might be screwed." while leaving a guy posting specific greviances with NetJets alone. Go pick on him for awhile...oh...yeah...that's right. He's an OWNER and you dare not speak to him like you speak to me. Not gonna challenge him to a fight next time he's in KMYF are ya? And you two have the ballz to call ME a coward! Call out Mr. NJowner for his blasphemous posts unless you two are true COWARDS!

Of course that will not happen. As to my posts, which are authentic and from a guy who really does want the best for NetJets...

Fine. Stop asking me to fight behind the school after class. Makes you both look stupid.

Fly Safe,

GP

 

[sshrae]

Tell you what, buy a share of netjets and you can come on here and say whatever you want and more than likely you won't get slack. Come on here as an outsider not knowing sh1t about anything talking smack and you are going to have problems. It reminds me of your buddy been there done it, Avantair people didn't seem to like him too much on thier threads picking everything apart either, I don't blame them. I'll leave it at that, you know where to find me.

 

[acaTerry]

Have you told this to Sokol? I would hope that owners are expressing their displeasure with some of the value-added cuts he has made. Goodness knows he doesn't listen to the pilots on such matters.

Edited...it'll just stir the pot too much, even for me.

 

[FLYLOW22]

I hear all the haters out there.

I hear them loud and clear and while I have not an single ounce of optimism left in me regarding aviation I do see very interesting, selective and strategic business announcements being made regarding the services that NetJets will soon be providing onboard QS tails (new technology), certain real estate projects being given the green light that have been shelved for some time, etc.

These are not decisions made by a corporate team looking to simply package and process to "tie off".

I guess the upcoming aircraft order announcement won't be proof enough for the critics either... they'll not only need the aircraft in service but they'll need to see a few quarters of profits as well.

That's fine.

To each their own...

 

[NJAowner]

NJ already announced wi-fi on select a/c so what is your new technological news?