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[RTRHD]

Oh i'll stay tunned but it really doesn't matter much. I've got my workrules and scope in writing. He tried to get out of making a deal for NJi and the pilot group responded so hard that he had to come back to CMH to sign the deal.

Spin off the gulfstreams, sell them, or fold them into NJA it doesn't really matter in my life.

Now if I was at NJI I'd be more worried if any of the above happened. Because if you get sold off or spun off now you're dealing with a whole new boss and company.

The FO's just got a couple of years added to the upgrade times because RTS made a 1 for 3 deal. That's what I'd be ticked about.

Just wait and see............"O" and read your contract.

 

[NJANJIFLEXFLOP]

As the NetJet World turns "Take 999"

I have sat back and read this debacle go on and on. It happens in short segments, kinda like a sit com. It always comes back to who has the highest senority, who flies the aircraft that no one else cant fly, who flies internationally where no one else had gone before....this is BULL$h*t. I think that the biggest thing to worry about is how in the world that Netjets is going to survive with the payincreases, fuel price increases, silly aircraft groundings, fake tipping and then putting it on your expense account (I know this goes on I have talked to several who do it), and mainly customers/owners going elsewhere with their travel needs.
Who cares who flies what? Who cares who flies where? We all have 7 on 7 off, the pay is much better ( I dare any of the NJI or Class 4 guys to bark about this), our 401k is great and much more the guy who owns us is #2 in the World and #1 in the World is on his finacial board. If we all keep fighting, generating bad blood, costing the company more and more in money......You too will be able to by fine antiques with NETJETS on them. Kinda like Pan Am, Eastern, etc etc.
Quit the bickering, help out your brother/sister co worker get the job done and keep NETJETS as a house hold name for these rich folks who keep us out of rickety old cargo airplanes. (Not to mention in nice hotels on sunny beaches, or ski lodges, or exotic countries for that matter.
"CAN'T WE ALL GET ALONG"
Now all you who are steaming at the collar because I took the wind out of this sail run along and make the customers happy.....because if you dont you will be making alot of hits on the "jobs" or "hiring" section of this website. Trust me ....if you dont...you will only bring down the company that buys your childrens college educations, your fancy homes, your sail boats, your Harley's yady yady yady....No to mention have your Company make the front page of SEVERAL news papers!!!

 

[Pervis]

Type of flying and experience is moot. We've all accumulated a vast amount of experience, some of us military and civilian, domestic and international. Any cockpit will have one experienced crewmember on board with current company experience.

Threats about promises and wait and see attitudes won't do anything either. Promises made and kept are two different things. The only point I'm trying to make is we need to approach this in an intelligent manner-together. The union is willing to discuss this with any and all NJI pilots, and I believe it would be in your best interest to do just that.

The reason the union negotiated with company about this is because it is an agreement between Netjets Inc. and the local 1108. NJI has no say in this without representation, short of finding other gainful employment. Join us and we all work together towards a common goal. Believe it or not, most of us are all for a fair integration, but acting like a stooge for RTS will not gain much for the G force.

 

[Diesel]

The Section 1.3 on the new contract alone was enough to vote YES. Without scope everything else is crap.

 

[DO-82 driver]

RTRHD,

Here's a chance to validate yourself. Can you site specifically in our contract what is sooooo damning? I even doubt you have read the thing.

I eagerly await your great revelation.......

 

[RTRHD]

AAAARRRRRGGGGG. I had a good long reply to you DO-82 the website jinked up on me and I lost it. But give me an example of a "Scope Clause" that worked. And why you gave up money (rumor) to get NJI.

 

[jppt2000]

However I would never vote for anything that would displace the newest new hire from NJI from upgrading in the Gulfstreams. That was his “career expectation” when he was hired, it’s what he was hired for, and it is what his experience demanded when he was hired.

You hit the nail on the head HARD, I am still an FO here and I came here to fly the Gulfstreams,

It's hard for me to believe that a new hire at E - NJI did not have any idea why the two companies were divided.
Career expectations? For the NJI folks?
What about the famous quote you fail to share with everyone:
"You all will be flying Gulfstreams" promised to NJA pilots back around 1996.
Seems like everyone at NJA since then had career expectations hampered by NJI folks.
About three years ago, I heard from many NJI crews about the G200's.
Gee whiz, since its a Gulfstream, it should be flown by NJI pilots.

I've been safely flying internationally for the past three years at NJA, every pilot at NJA, is capable of safely completing the job requirements.

Seems like the same old song and dance: beat the drum and chant about how difficult and demanding it is to fly internationally.
Exclude everyone else so that only a select few "experienced" folks can do the job.
"A Teamer", er "go-to teamer" philosophy.
This is why there was such overwhelming support for new 1108 leadership.

 

[RustyFan]

You will do as told by your Boss.....look at all the input you guys had in the cross over agreement.

Hey Num-Nuts!

What part of my avatar doesn’t distinguish me as 64 year old man with 4 grand kids! I’ll tell the man where to stick it anytime and anywhere, and my boss knows it. Just like I’ll tell you that you’re clueless about a good ¾th of the dribble that comes out of your lips.

I worked on helicopters in Nam. We had a new Cobra pilot from Rogers Arkansas show up, Douglas Brubaker (we called him Half-Baked Brubaker). That kid showed up ready to kill Commies with a tooth pick and a Swiss army knife. After he decided to try a tear drop 180 and fire off his remaining rockets over a hot LZ, he got shot down, spent 1 night in jungle, and cried like a baby for a month; he realized what everyone knew. There is no substitute for experience.

So the next time your sitting in a concrete shack over in Nairobi trying to find someone to pay off so you can get your gas truck, and your stomach starts rumbling from the breakfast you ate, and your friendly neighborhood communist soldier wants $20 bucks to let you out to your plane, and then you get there and the APU wont start… Then we’ll talk about you international experience. Until that time have fun flying to St. Marteen, London, and Canada and logging your “international experience”.

For the 1st and last time in my life, I can gladly look at a union and say,

“You can’t touch me, and you won’t affect me, NO MATTER what you pull”

 

[DO-82 driver]

I wonder what the career expectations were for the Eastern pilots, TWA, Unioted and Delta furloughed pilots...the list goes on and on.

Career expectations in the aviation industry change at the whim of management.... Its all a roll of the dice and no onbe is assured anything.

Like BB said to sooo many recurrent classes....."don't take it personal, its just business."

RTRHD....sorry you lost the post...that's happened a bunch of times to me...and I can never properly re-write it too.....

As far as "gave up the money for NJI"...I'm not sure of that rumor and if it is true I'm not sure there was much more money to be had at this junction.

As far as Scope is concerned...the Scope we have is better than no Scope at all. And the Scope we do have now is not too shoddy. If it is violated then the courts will have to step in AGAIN to settle it. At the very least its going to cost more $$$$, and bad publicity for both side. The Union is used to it, the Company is tired of it and can least afford it.

Date of Hire was put on the table and RTS, on the NJI pilots behalf, shot it down. Time will tell what happens next for all of us. Let's see what's going to happen in less than 3 years.

 

[gunfyter]

probably some kind of fence system that is Fair to everyone.

work together instead of sniping each other...

 

[Pervis]

Rusty, what does combat experience have to do with flying our customers? That's not even apples to oranges, more like raisins to rocks. A lot of us at NJA have combat experience, and a lot don't. Some of us fly to far more remote places than London too.

I didn't start this thread to be another 'mine is bigger than yours' session. At your age, you may not want to be around when the changes take place for a variety of reasons. There are those that plan on staying a lot longer though, and integration by choice is always far more equitable than integration by decree.

 

[wolfpackpilot]

Hey Num-Nuts!

I’ll tell the man where to stick it anytime and anywhere, and my boss knows it.

Oh please, for the love of beer and peanuts tell me your going to V school with me in 2 weeks!!

 

[DO-82 driver]

Pervis....very well said....

That statement, along with that from my esteemed co-worker, Gunfyter, is really all there needs to be said on this highly volitile topic.

 

[RTRHD]

I love beer and peanuts too... can't we all just get along. Kum-Ba-Ya.

Good Luck Wolf Pack I thought V school was hard but I like beer also........

 

[Diesel]

Hey cravenfan aka ted stryker-

how does some LZ in NAM mean anything in todays world.

You're not having flashbacks are you?

Ted Striker: I flew single engine fighters in the Air Force, but this plane has four engines. It's an entirely different kind of flying altogether.
All: It's an entirely different kind of flying.