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[wolfpackpilot]

Jesus Christ

Please leave our Savior and Lord out of this pointless argument. I take offense to it!


no, I'm not kidding.

 

[wolfpackpilot]

You should of known you were going to work at an outfit that was created to circumvent a unionized group of pilots.
I'll bet you closed your eyes to that fact as you stepped over every NJA pilot to grab that first rung of the ladder.

So you’re saying in 1996, NJA had (25 or more) type rated and qualified G-IV pilots who had extensive International flying experience?

What unionized pilot group was that? Was it the same one that agreed in writing to the LOA which allowed EJI to start? Was it the same one that signed another LOA in 1998 to let it keep going? I’ll wager you were not even at NJA in 1996. So you knew the deal when you got hired, wanna fly Gulfstreams, go to NJI, wanna start in an Ultra, go to NJA. I’ll also wager your resume and experience had a lot to do with that decision.

 

[DO-82 driver]

Man!!!!! You guys are really full of yourselves.

Furtunately, I have had the pleasure of meeting a number of NJI guys, and with only a few exceptions, they have all been very nice and open.

Many extending their congradualtions of the completion and ratification of the contract. Its a good thing for both sides.

I'm relieved to know that the opinions offered on this board are those of the minority and I'm sure anonymity lends to more abrassive tones.

 

[old*art]

Ditto your comment DO-82. Who are these masked men ? Both sides of the fence. Sure glad they will not be making the decisions.

 

[gunfyter]

I will wager that anyone on the NJA side who has the slightest chance of a G-IV PIC seat has been on the property 10+ years... to include 1996. I am starting 8 years and have zero chance of getting the left seat of a gulfstream in the next 5 years minimum. maybe i could get the right seat.

With DOH integration... I think there will be at least a few NJI SICs who might want to upgrade in a G-200, Horizon or Falcon... to get a significant payraise over FO pay.... instead of waiting yrs longer for the G-IV. I guess that depends on how long you have to wait?

How long are you guys waiting now? What if RTS decided to get rid of the Gulfstreams and switch to all Falcons 7X?

As far as resume and experience... we have 3 pilots that came from Delta's training department as International IP's. A few former TWA 747 Capts... etc.. B-1, B2, AWACS, C-5, C-141, etc.. Retired AF general.... I think things like that go good on a resume.

I did a lot of flying in the middle east on contract to saudi arabian texaco. It was a hassle at first and but I knew weeks ahead of time if I was going someplace I never been before. Thank heavens for universal. A big motivation for coming to NJA with a massive paycut was to get out of Dhahran and kuwait City... before it cost me a divorce.

Anyway... I think its possible to work something out thats fair. possible example. Date of Hire, with a fence. with the fence... 2 NJI upgrades to every 1 NJA upgrade .... you upgrade ahead of NJA guys on the property for 10 and more yrs. Or you can cross over and compete for the falcon g-200, etc, based on DOH only.

just an idea... maybe its not one you like but lets talk about it respectfully and see if there is something that works. A lot of A-side guys probably don't like this idea either.

I think something can be done that will make most people happy.

So you’re saying in 1996, NJA had (25 or more) type rated and qualified G-IV pilots who had extensive International flying experience?

What unionized pilot group was that? Was it the same one that agreed in writing to the LOA which allowed EJI to start? Was it the same one that signed another LOA in 1998 to let it keep going? I’ll wager you were not even at NJA in 1996. So you knew the deal when you got hired, wanna fly Gulfstreams, go to NJI, wanna start in an Ultra, go to NJA. I’ll also wager your resume and experience had a lot to do with that decision.

 

[RTRHD]

Man!!!!! You guys are really full of yourselves.

Furtunately, I have had the pleasure of meeting a number of NJI guys, and with only a few exceptions, they have all been very nice and open.

Many extending their congradualtions of the completion and ratification of the contract. Its a good thing for both sides.

I'm relieved to know that the opinions offered on this board are those of the minority and I'm sure anonymity lends to more abrassive tones.

A Pilot with an attitude........What ?

A Gulstream Pilot with an ego..Well that is just crazy talk.

Just having fun with a volatile subject with some infantile conversation. But there is no need to be rude. "nurseing home" "Food with straw"

I am glad Rusty was over that LZ and survived.

 

[Ultra Grump]

Please leave our Savior and Lord out of this pointless argument. I take offense to it!


no, I'm not kidding.

Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah! :crying:




Oh, and Happy Holidays!

 

[NJANJIFLEXFLOP]

Hey ce750thief/driver

I hope I do sound like your 13 year old he has a great concept of saving money instead of stealing it. Hopefully you are not teaching him to steal from the company too. Definately something to worry about because the UNION wont back him up. Also it not just $5 for the suck job...it's $15 and up for the fake tip to the line guys (that you dont pay) so you dont have to get oil on the back of your shirt.

Also as for the maintenance issue...Grounding, saftey issues are different than what I have seen in the past and heard you guys talking about around the camp fire. I still moon light and fly helicopters so I know what a little issue can turn into....I just dont walk up to my aircraft with a particular spot in mind to get my daily grounding write up. Face it ...it's happening and you know it.

Oh and the gas prices is the little issue is nothing...it just pours salt into their wounds....Hefty gas price..aircraft broke...delayed....pilots attitudes suck..."Hey CFO, Cant we afford to just buy a ce750 instead of all this bull$h*t" BY BY net jets....Lost another one to Ditech!! But Dont worry the Union will buy the aircraft from them and protect us all......Go back and play with your 13 year old. He is wiser and will teach you a thing or two. Or better yet Granny...where is she....Union run her off!!!???

Check your ammo...your shooting stolen blanks!!

 

[ce750drvr]

Again, nevermind

 

[ghostrider64]

Damn Archie that was funny

 

[ghostrider64]

Funny, I never see the NJI guys throwing trash bags out or running a vacuum. Not to say it doesn't happen, but surely not often.

BTW I've only met very cool NJI folks, with one exception. A short, fat exNJA guy with crappy reddish hair that has a chip so big his fat butt could fall in and you would never hear the impact. I'm sure he is reading this because he has not much better to do than to bad mouth us and our union because he knows the answers to everything....Sorry I just had to vent...

 

[RTRHD]

Man you are a moron. 95% of us do it. The other 5% don't do just because they are lazy or just feel they have better things to do with their time. I don't care what you think or what you think you would do if you were my boss. Thats ok though,

because when I am awarded a capt bid at NJI,

you can either clean my airplane and tip yourself, or you can have the line guy do it. You can clean and claim if you like, but if you do, I will tell my ACP. Guess what, he will tell me "so, who cares?".

Tell me, how is it stealing when I am being compensated for work that I performed. And as far as Granny goes, she was a representative of the company. Therefore, the "company" gave the approval. Pick a better argument based on facts, not your personal opinion.

Man, you are definitely bitter about something. What is your problem?

HE,HE,HE,HA,HA,HA THAT'S FUNNY :laugh:

 

[jppt2000]

You shouldn't play in the sewer, the stink might rub off on you.
You should of known you were going to work at an outfit that was created to circumvent a unionized group of pilots.
I'll bet you closed your eyes to that fact as you stepped over every NJA pilot to grab that first rung of the ladder.

What unionized pilot group was that? Was it the same one that agreed in writing to the LOA which allowed EJI to start? Was it the same one that signed another LOA in 1998 to let it keep going? I’ll wager you were not even at NJA in 1996. So you knew the deal when you got hired, wanna fly Gulfstreams, go to NJI, wanna start in an Ultra, go to NJA.

You should of known this relationship was gonna eventually come to a head.
Essentially the membership, recognized the terrrible job the 284 union leadership was performing. They were voted out and replaced, simple as that.

You are fooling yourself by drumming up the issue that you are so unique, so self-important.

So you knew the deal when you got hired, wanna fly Gulfstreams, go to NJI, wanna start in an Ultra, go to NJA.
The 284 MEC candidate who stated essentially the same arguement got less than 12 per cent of the vote.

Nope, I wasn't here in 1996, but my 1108 negotiator held company to their words. As I said before, vast majority of pilots risked their job to better this company for everyone, including RTRHD, and Wolfpackpilot.

I'm sure something fair will be worked out.
Also I have no chance at a G-4 seat for at least 10 years because of my Seniority

 

[TransMach]

Nja/nji

Folks,

I don't have a dog in this fight cuz I don't work for NJI, NJA or any of the FRAX. The following comment, however:

Fourth, Fake tipping?? What?? So, let me get this straight. The airplane needs to be vacuumed. I let the line guy do it and tip him five bucks. Or I do it and tip myself five bucks. What does it matter? It got done, right? So if it got done, by me or someone else, the five bucks doesn't know who did the cleaning. But just to let you in on a little secret, I got hired 6 years ago when there was a little old lady we called "Granny". She was the ole gal that was in charge of expenses. During indoc, she came in and told us that it was ok to tip ourselves if we performed the task to be tipped. So five bucks to me or five bucks to the line guy, it doesn't matter to NJA. So you are right, it does happen. They know about it. They don't care. So why should you?

[/EQuote]

Is just plain wrong. No where in American business and it's generally accepted standards of accounting and accountability is "Tipping Yourself" permitted or accepted. No body who pays the bills, particularly the likes of Warren Buffett, will accept an employee giving themselves a "Bonus", "Gratuity", or in slang terms "a Tip".

When you submit a "Request for Reimbursement" for business expenses to be paid by your employer you are stating that you paid these expenses on the employer's behalf. Not that you kept some money in your pocket and want the employer to give you that amount, again.

For crying out loud, I wonder what the IRS would think of this practice, let alone every state and local governmental taxing authority !!!

To me, this is simple thievery ... a sham. Can anybody here justify this action? I'll tell you as a BH stockholder, I'm mad a hell.

TransMach

 

[wolfpackpilot]

Man you are a moron. 95% of us do it. The other 5% don't do just because they are lazy or just feel they have better things to do with their time.

so 9 out of 10 NJA pilots are thieves? And the other guy is just too lazy to do it?

I dont buy that. I say 9 out of 10 "DONT" steal, and the other guy is "you"!

 

[ce750drvr]

Man you are a moron. 95% of us do it. The other 5% don't do just because they are lazy or just feel they have better things to do with their time.
so 9 out of 10 NJA pilots are thieves? And the other guy is just too lazy to do it?

I dont buy that. I say 9 out of 10 "DONT" steal, and the other guy is "you"!

You're right. It is me and me only. What was I thinking.

 

[Archie Bunker]

Please leave our Savior and Lord out of this pointless argument. I take offense to it!


no, I'm not kidding.

These are public message boards. If you are offended by my posts, please feel free to skip them.

 

[RTRHD]

Funny, I never see the NJI guys throwing trash bags out or running a vacuum. Not to say it doesn't happen, but surely not often.

Huh???

 

[Pervis]

I tried to post some info so those that will be most affected can make in informed decision based upon the facts. Company turned down the most equitable integration proposal anyone could hope for. And instead of an intelligent discussion, I see a bunch of crazed individuals full of themselves or company stooges trying to cause the inevitable rift.

I can understand those in the right seat that may feel the "loss" of their seat, but come on. Guess what folks. We all work for RTS and Co. Look to the root of the problem, not your fellow pilots. I flew F111's. So what? Does that mean I can categorize all others and say those without military training don't belong in our elite little group? Let's get real folks. The real problem is the top, not your collegues on the other end of the company.

 

[Diesel]

hmmm an ex-nja'er that went to ejm then to nji.......

That story sounds familiar.