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[DO-82 driver]

Hey Diesel....Good Old Rusty is typical of his type......every company has them....

Its not even worth my response.....

...."there I was...surrounded...nothing but Bad Guys...."

....."I jumped in the seat, threw the checklist out the window and started the engines....down the dirt strip we rolled....bullets flying everywhere."

..."back at the "O" club I had a Scotch and played poker...just another day."

 

[ghostrider64]

Rusty,

So your boss knows you'll tell him where and when to stick it? You are right you don't belong in a Union they don't have the resources to get your job back after you're fired for cause. Like insubordination. Which also falls under the behavioral issue clause.

I also loved your 'nam reference because what you forgot to mention is that many learned from his failure to actually pull off his little maneuver. Not to mention what they might have learned had he actually pulled it off.

But I think you are focused heavily on the I've learned everything and have forgotten that until you are dead, there are still things to learn. Often from those grand kids of yours. Because what you think of as a higher knowledge today, will be first grade math in the future. Just the way evolution works. Pretty soon you'll be able to use the company card to pay your bribes directly to the "handler" via his handheld credit card scanner that will automatically deposit the bribe into his Turks and Caicos account.

I remember when I was a W1 way back when and how I was treated with disdain by the W3's and W4's (there weren't any 2's left). Because I didn't know everything like they did. Then came along the Apache. I laughed my ass off as those old school boys suffered through the transition and the "kids" laughed and enjoyed the new video game.

I for one actually appreciate a helping hand when it comes from the heart and not the ego. But when spoken down to I suppose I take your thought process and tell you where to stick it.

Now go back to that Huey and pack some more grease in the driveshaft. It's starting to get hot in those bearing hangars LOL

Cheers

 

[anchorman]

boo hoo! I want to fly a gulfstream! RTS promised us! RTS Promised!

My parents promised me a scooter for Christmas when I was 7. I got some dumb clothes instead. I got on with my life. Now get on with yours. If you want to fly a Gulfstream, get in line like all of us did. We welcome you to them. Just don't try to step in front of us who left our good jobs for a great job at NJI. Congrats on the contract, the pay, 7 & 7 and all the other legal stuff. I'm happy for you. I welcome all those who transition to NJI in the future. Just don't expect to cut in line ahead of us who have been working our way up the ladder the old fashioned way.

I get a kick out of those saying the NJI guys may like it if we blended the seniority list. "Some of the NJI guys may be sick of flying international and doing long legs. Maybe they want to fly a X or a 2000". Nope, If we wanted that we would have applied to NJA to begin with. I don't see any NJI guys beating down the doors to go to NJA. That should tell you something.

Good luck with the war. Don't believe anything until it happens and don't get your hopes up.

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I love scotch. Scotchy, scotchy, scotch. Here it goes down, down into my belly.

 

[anchorman]

The future is clear-there will be integration. Although many have voiced opinions regarding union membership in a negative way, at least on this board, the choice is yours. For all of our sake, joining the frey before the three year waiting period is over would be to everyone's advantage, especially NJI pilots.

Just like the future was clear 3 months ago when it was clear there would be no agreement. Just like it is clear that the union is running the show and everything is in writing. If everything is so clear, why is there so much discussion of what may happen. One thing is clear, I'm clearly entertained.

"joining the frey would be to everyone's advantage"????

HA! I'm going to write that one down and use it my stand-up routine at next years Christmas party. Thanks for looking out for us NJI pilots. I'm sure our best interests are in your thoughts.

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bark twice if you're in Milwaukee.

 

[Archie Bunker]

Hey Num-Nuts!

What part of my avatar doesn’t distinguish me as 64 year old man with 4 grand kids! I’ll tell the man where to stick it anytime and anywhere, and my boss knows it. Just like I’ll tell you that you’re clueless about a good ¾th of the dribble that comes out of your lips.

Jesus Christ, what a windbag. You must be a real pleasure to fly with on a long haul trip. You talk real tough here on these anonymous message boards. I would really love to see you tell "the man" where to stick it in person. All of the NJI guys that I have dealt with on these boards in the past have been professionals. How did you slip through the cracks?

I worked on helicopters in Nam. We had a new Cobra pilot from Rogers Arkansas show up, Douglas Brubaker (we called him Half-Baked Brubaker). That kid showed up ready to kill Commies with a tooth pick and a Swiss army knife. After he decided to try a tear drop 180 and fire off his remaining rockets over a hot LZ, he got shot down, spent 1 night in jungle, and cried like a baby for a month; he realized what everyone knew. There is no substitute for experience.

Huh?? What does this story have anything to do with flying Gulfstreams in an international environment? Are you trying to say that NJA pilots have no credible international experience? Next time, try an analogy that is relevant to the topic at hand.

So the next time your sitting in a concrete shack over in Nairobi trying to find someone to pay off so you can get your gas truck, and your stomach starts rumbling from the breakfast you ate, and your friendly neighborhood communist soldier wants $20 bucks to let you out to your plane, and then you get there and the APU wont start… Then we’ll talk about you international experience. Until that time have fun flying to St. Marteen, London, and Canada and logging your “international experience”.

Do you have any idea how arrogant you sound here? Your condescending attitude does nothing to back up your position, and makes you look like a pompous ass to boot. Do you think you're the only pilot that's been stuck in a 3rd world dump trying to accomplish his mission with language barriers, how to pay for the fuel, etc? Don't you think that NJA has quite a few former military pilots with loads of international experience? I'd venture to say that a lot of these pilots have probably flown to places you have never seen in your 64 years (and a hell of a lot more austere than Nairobi). Does this make them a better pilot than you? No it doesn't. Does it make you a better, more qualified pilot than the NJA guy that has never flown in Africa? Not by a long shot. Maybe one of these days when a NJA guy is sitting in the right seat of your Gulfstream, he'll keep you from showing your "know it all" ass landing at old, boring London Heathrow. Get over yourself.

For the 1st and last time in my life, I can gladly look at a union and say,

“You can’t touch me, and you won’t affect me, NO MATTER what you pull”

You're right. You probably are too old for any of this to affect you.....you'll either be retired, or in a nursing home sucking down your dinner through a straw. It's too bad that you actually won't have to bid down off the G-IV, and pull gear for some 30 year old Capt on the Ultra for a month. Trust me, you'd be a better man for it.

 

[ce750drvr]

Nevermind.........

 

[Diesel]

Hey Ron Burgandy-

Don't be mad at us because RTS AGREED to a 1/3 Captain deal at NJI.

Be mad at RTS for selling you guys out to keep the peace. Personally I'm suprised at the Captain deal.

I guess RTS truely does believe it's one big company if a NJA guy can bid over to the Gulfstream.

I'd be pissed to if my upgrade got pushed back a bunch of years.

 

[jppt2000]

I welcome all those who transition to NJI in the future. Just don't expect to cut in line ahead of us who have been working our way up the ladder the old fashioned way.

You shouldn't play in the sewer, the stink might rub off on you.
You should of known you were going to work at an outfit that was created to circumvent a unionized group of pilots.
I'll bet you closed your eyes to that fact as you stepped over every NJA pilot to grab that first rung of the ladder.
Overwhelming majority of folks here at NJA bet their jobs to make things better for everyone, including yourself.
I can understand you're upset, you got sold out to make peace.
It appears you've enjoyed being a member of the Bubba-team
(aka NJI A-team) too long.

Gunfyter is right, its gotta be a fair integration, junior guys at NJI are gonna have to suck it up.

 

[RTRHD]

I welcome all those who transition to NJI in the future. Just don't expect to cut in line ahead of us who have been working our way up the ladder the old fashioned way.

You shouldn't play in the sewer, the stink might rub off on you.
You should of known you were going to work at an outfit that was created to circumvent a unionized group of pilots.
I'll bet you closed your eyes to that fact as you stepped over every NJA pilot to grab that first rung of the ladder.
Overwhelming majority of folks here at NJA bet their jobs to make things better for everyone, including yourself.
I can understand you're upset, you got sold out to make peace.
It appears you've enjoyed being a member of the Bubba-team
(aka NJI A-team) too long.

Gunfyter is right, its gotta be a fair integration, junior guys at NJI are gonna have to suck it up.

What are you talking about MAN. I did not go to work for NJA BECAUSE THEY DID NOT PAY ANYTHING. I did not want to fly Copilot on a single pilot airplane. Yea, I flew a Citation V around by myself and there was no one to eat dinner with. My pax were always 4 hours late or would not show up at all. "So I told the man to stick it" (LOL) I did not leap over anyone. I kinda of figured NJA was not were I wanted to be.


I do agree with GunFyter. We do need to get along.

So is this how you think, Please correct me if I am wrong.
1) My Job Stinks.
2) I can't get another job? (911 affected myself also)
3) But I been here this long.
4) Lets mess with the Gulfstream Guys. (That don't just hire anyone)

 

[wolfpackpilot]

Or I do it and tip myself five bucks. What does it matter? It got done, right?

You have integrity issues. Your rationalization for stealing from the company is gutless. If you were my employee, I’d fire you for fraud and most likely file criminal charges. I’d love to hear what the judge tells you when your defense is:

“But your honor, Granny told me it was OK”.

 

[wolfpackpilot]

Jesus Christ

Please leave our Savior and Lord out of this pointless argument. I take offense to it!


no, I'm not kidding.

 

[wolfpackpilot]

You should of known you were going to work at an outfit that was created to circumvent a unionized group of pilots.
I'll bet you closed your eyes to that fact as you stepped over every NJA pilot to grab that first rung of the ladder.

So you’re saying in 1996, NJA had (25 or more) type rated and qualified G-IV pilots who had extensive International flying experience?

What unionized pilot group was that? Was it the same one that agreed in writing to the LOA which allowed EJI to start? Was it the same one that signed another LOA in 1998 to let it keep going? I’ll wager you were not even at NJA in 1996. So you knew the deal when you got hired, wanna fly Gulfstreams, go to NJI, wanna start in an Ultra, go to NJA. I’ll also wager your resume and experience had a lot to do with that decision.

 

[DO-82 driver]

Man!!!!! You guys are really full of yourselves.

Furtunately, I have had the pleasure of meeting a number of NJI guys, and with only a few exceptions, they have all been very nice and open.

Many extending their congradualtions of the completion and ratification of the contract. Its a good thing for both sides.

I'm relieved to know that the opinions offered on this board are those of the minority and I'm sure anonymity lends to more abrassive tones.

 

[old*art]

Ditto your comment DO-82. Who are these masked men ? Both sides of the fence. Sure glad they will not be making the decisions.

 

[gunfyter]

I will wager that anyone on the NJA side who has the slightest chance of a G-IV PIC seat has been on the property 10+ years... to include 1996. I am starting 8 years and have zero chance of getting the left seat of a gulfstream in the next 5 years minimum. maybe i could get the right seat.

With DOH integration... I think there will be at least a few NJI SICs who might want to upgrade in a G-200, Horizon or Falcon... to get a significant payraise over FO pay.... instead of waiting yrs longer for the G-IV. I guess that depends on how long you have to wait?

How long are you guys waiting now? What if RTS decided to get rid of the Gulfstreams and switch to all Falcons 7X?

As far as resume and experience... we have 3 pilots that came from Delta's training department as International IP's. A few former TWA 747 Capts... etc.. B-1, B2, AWACS, C-5, C-141, etc.. Retired AF general.... I think things like that go good on a resume.

I did a lot of flying in the middle east on contract to saudi arabian texaco. It was a hassle at first and but I knew weeks ahead of time if I was going someplace I never been before. Thank heavens for universal. A big motivation for coming to NJA with a massive paycut was to get out of Dhahran and kuwait City... before it cost me a divorce.

Anyway... I think its possible to work something out thats fair. possible example. Date of Hire, with a fence. with the fence... 2 NJI upgrades to every 1 NJA upgrade .... you upgrade ahead of NJA guys on the property for 10 and more yrs. Or you can cross over and compete for the falcon g-200, etc, based on DOH only.

just an idea... maybe its not one you like but lets talk about it respectfully and see if there is something that works. A lot of A-side guys probably don't like this idea either.

I think something can be done that will make most people happy.

So you’re saying in 1996, NJA had (25 or more) type rated and qualified G-IV pilots who had extensive International flying experience?

What unionized pilot group was that? Was it the same one that agreed in writing to the LOA which allowed EJI to start? Was it the same one that signed another LOA in 1998 to let it keep going? I’ll wager you were not even at NJA in 1996. So you knew the deal when you got hired, wanna fly Gulfstreams, go to NJI, wanna start in an Ultra, go to NJA. I’ll also wager your resume and experience had a lot to do with that decision.

 

[RTRHD]

Man!!!!! You guys are really full of yourselves.

Furtunately, I have had the pleasure of meeting a number of NJI guys, and with only a few exceptions, they have all been very nice and open.

Many extending their congradualtions of the completion and ratification of the contract. Its a good thing for both sides.

I'm relieved to know that the opinions offered on this board are those of the minority and I'm sure anonymity lends to more abrassive tones.

A Pilot with an attitude........What ?

A Gulstream Pilot with an ego..Well that is just crazy talk.

Just having fun with a volatile subject with some infantile conversation. But there is no need to be rude. "nurseing home" "Food with straw"

I am glad Rusty was over that LZ and survived.

 

[Ultra Grump]

Please leave our Savior and Lord out of this pointless argument. I take offense to it!


no, I'm not kidding.

Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah! :crying:




Oh, and Happy Holidays!

 

[NJANJIFLEXFLOP]

Hey ce750thief/driver

I hope I do sound like your 13 year old he has a great concept of saving money instead of stealing it. Hopefully you are not teaching him to steal from the company too. Definately something to worry about because the UNION wont back him up. Also it not just $5 for the suck job...it's $15 and up for the fake tip to the line guys (that you dont pay) so you dont have to get oil on the back of your shirt.

Also as for the maintenance issue...Grounding, saftey issues are different than what I have seen in the past and heard you guys talking about around the camp fire. I still moon light and fly helicopters so I know what a little issue can turn into....I just dont walk up to my aircraft with a particular spot in mind to get my daily grounding write up. Face it ...it's happening and you know it.

Oh and the gas prices is the little issue is nothing...it just pours salt into their wounds....Hefty gas price..aircraft broke...delayed....pilots attitudes suck..."Hey CFO, Cant we afford to just buy a ce750 instead of all this bull$h*t" BY BY net jets....Lost another one to Ditech!! But Dont worry the Union will buy the aircraft from them and protect us all......Go back and play with your 13 year old. He is wiser and will teach you a thing or two. Or better yet Granny...where is she....Union run her off!!!???

Check your ammo...your shooting stolen blanks!!

 

[ce750drvr]

Again, nevermind

 

[ghostrider64]

Damn Archie that was funny

 

[ghostrider64]

Funny, I never see the NJI guys throwing trash bags out or running a vacuum. Not to say it doesn't happen, but surely not often.

BTW I've only met very cool NJI folks, with one exception. A short, fat exNJA guy with crappy reddish hair that has a chip so big his fat butt could fall in and you would never hear the impact. I'm sure he is reading this because he has not much better to do than to bad mouth us and our union because he knows the answers to everything....Sorry I just had to vent...

 

[RTRHD]

Man you are a moron. 95% of us do it. The other 5% don't do just because they are lazy or just feel they have better things to do with their time. I don't care what you think or what you think you would do if you were my boss. Thats ok though,

because when I am awarded a capt bid at NJI,

you can either clean my airplane and tip yourself, or you can have the line guy do it. You can clean and claim if you like, but if you do, I will tell my ACP. Guess what, he will tell me "so, who cares?".

Tell me, how is it stealing when I am being compensated for work that I performed. And as far as Granny goes, she was a representative of the company. Therefore, the "company" gave the approval. Pick a better argument based on facts, not your personal opinion.

Man, you are definitely bitter about something. What is your problem?

HE,HE,HE,HA,HA,HA THAT'S FUNNY :laugh:

 

[jppt2000]

You shouldn't play in the sewer, the stink might rub off on you.
You should of known you were going to work at an outfit that was created to circumvent a unionized group of pilots.
I'll bet you closed your eyes to that fact as you stepped over every NJA pilot to grab that first rung of the ladder.

What unionized pilot group was that? Was it the same one that agreed in writing to the LOA which allowed EJI to start? Was it the same one that signed another LOA in 1998 to let it keep going? I’ll wager you were not even at NJA in 1996. So you knew the deal when you got hired, wanna fly Gulfstreams, go to NJI, wanna start in an Ultra, go to NJA.

You should of known this relationship was gonna eventually come to a head.
Essentially the membership, recognized the terrrible job the 284 union leadership was performing. They were voted out and replaced, simple as that.

You are fooling yourself by drumming up the issue that you are so unique, so self-important.

So you knew the deal when you got hired, wanna fly Gulfstreams, go to NJI, wanna start in an Ultra, go to NJA.
The 284 MEC candidate who stated essentially the same arguement got less than 12 per cent of the vote.

Nope, I wasn't here in 1996, but my 1108 negotiator held company to their words. As I said before, vast majority of pilots risked their job to better this company for everyone, including RTRHD, and Wolfpackpilot.

I'm sure something fair will be worked out.
Also I have no chance at a G-4 seat for at least 10 years because of my Seniority

 

[TransMach]

Nja/nji

Folks,

I don't have a dog in this fight cuz I don't work for NJI, NJA or any of the FRAX. The following comment, however:

Fourth, Fake tipping?? What?? So, let me get this straight. The airplane needs to be vacuumed. I let the line guy do it and tip him five bucks. Or I do it and tip myself five bucks. What does it matter? It got done, right? So if it got done, by me or someone else, the five bucks doesn't know who did the cleaning. But just to let you in on a little secret, I got hired 6 years ago when there was a little old lady we called "Granny". She was the ole gal that was in charge of expenses. During indoc, she came in and told us that it was ok to tip ourselves if we performed the task to be tipped. So five bucks to me or five bucks to the line guy, it doesn't matter to NJA. So you are right, it does happen. They know about it. They don't care. So why should you?

[/EQuote]

Is just plain wrong. No where in American business and it's generally accepted standards of accounting and accountability is "Tipping Yourself" permitted or accepted. No body who pays the bills, particularly the likes of Warren Buffett, will accept an employee giving themselves a "Bonus", "Gratuity", or in slang terms "a Tip".

When you submit a "Request for Reimbursement" for business expenses to be paid by your employer you are stating that you paid these expenses on the employer's behalf. Not that you kept some money in your pocket and want the employer to give you that amount, again.

For crying out loud, I wonder what the IRS would think of this practice, let alone every state and local governmental taxing authority !!!

To me, this is simple thievery ... a sham. Can anybody here justify this action? I'll tell you as a BH stockholder, I'm mad a hell.

TransMach

 

[wolfpackpilot]

Man you are a moron. 95% of us do it. The other 5% don't do just because they are lazy or just feel they have better things to do with their time.

so 9 out of 10 NJA pilots are thieves? And the other guy is just too lazy to do it?

I dont buy that. I say 9 out of 10 "DONT" steal, and the other guy is "you"!

 

[ce750drvr]

Man you are a moron. 95% of us do it. The other 5% don't do just because they are lazy or just feel they have better things to do with their time.
so 9 out of 10 NJA pilots are thieves? And the other guy is just too lazy to do it?

I dont buy that. I say 9 out of 10 "DONT" steal, and the other guy is "you"!

You're right. It is me and me only. What was I thinking.

 

[Archie Bunker]

Please leave our Savior and Lord out of this pointless argument. I take offense to it!


no, I'm not kidding.

These are public message boards. If you are offended by my posts, please feel free to skip them.

 

[RTRHD]

Funny, I never see the NJI guys throwing trash bags out or running a vacuum. Not to say it doesn't happen, but surely not often.

Huh???

 

[Pervis]

I tried to post some info so those that will be most affected can make in informed decision based upon the facts. Company turned down the most equitable integration proposal anyone could hope for. And instead of an intelligent discussion, I see a bunch of crazed individuals full of themselves or company stooges trying to cause the inevitable rift.

I can understand those in the right seat that may feel the "loss" of their seat, but come on. Guess what folks. We all work for RTS and Co. Look to the root of the problem, not your fellow pilots. I flew F111's. So what? Does that mean I can categorize all others and say those without military training don't belong in our elite little group? Let's get real folks. The real problem is the top, not your collegues on the other end of the company.

 

[Diesel]

hmmm an ex-nja'er that went to ejm then to nji.......

That story sounds familiar.