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ERJFO

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My response to an unelloquent and pointless attack by I Love Lamp and SuperKooter :

IF WE DO BRANDED FLYING THE FOLLOWING IS TRUE:

Branded flying will not fail (I hope) and is not comparable to FlyI...

We won't be flying out of anyone's HUB - we definatley won't be flying solely out of UAL's main East-Cost HUB and compeating with them.

We will still be making 10% profit over operating cost on 205 airplanes that will be flown for CAL, thus supporting the start-up costs of branded flying.

The E-145 has lower CASM (cost/available seat mile) than the CRJ-700 (on a pure aircraft vs. aircraft spectrum) and Horizon flys those on "branded" routes and has profitable RASM (revenue/available seat mile) Thus our RASM should be somewhat high-yeild if we are flying non-hub on demanded routes... COS-SEA comes to mind (not that we will do that but it's an example route that has over 1000 pasangers a day that connect thru other cities). Keep in mind CASM can change significantly from airline to airline due to things such as station, equipment (non-aircraft), contract services, and labor costs (to name a few). Thus my Horizon comparison my be favorable or unfavorable depending on how their cost-operating structure stacks up agianst ours.

ExpressJet's last public balance sheet showed more than 236.5 Million Dollars of CASH. For ONLY comparison Skywest had 165.4 Million and Republic had 163.2. ExpressJet also has the LEAST amount of current debt of the three airlines compared.

Also in defense of our embaressing recruiter Horizon and ExpressJet is a poor comparison because they have no 50 seat jet and we have no 70 seat jet (or 70 seat/37 seat turboprop).

Just thought I had a few interesting points to point out and I hope the offending posters are embaresed (if they pose the comon sense to realize their wrongs)
 
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ERJFO said:
Also in defense of our embaressing recruiter Horizon and ExpressJet is a poor comparison because they have no 50 seat jet and we have no 70 seat jet (or 70 seat/37 seat turboprop). BUT if you take Horizon's 18 year CRJ-700 CA pay and devide it by 70 (seats) you see they get paid $1.72/seat where ExpressJet's 18 year CA's get $1.84/seat based on the same math. Applying the same math Horizons 2nd year CRJ-700 FO pay provides $.60/seat while ExpressJet's 2nd year pay alots for $.66/seat. So while the actually rate is not higher the per/seat compensation is.
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So using your seat/pay ‘logic’ (and I use that term loosely), is Big Sky the place to be? An 18 year captain on the metro is pulling in $2.63 per seat man! And that second year FO is banking $1.16 per seat (rounded)… ChaChing!!!! :laugh:
 
I say you guys should undercut CHQ on their Nationwide charter, that way you can feel some vindication./sarcasm
 
ERJFO said:
ExpressJet's last public balance sheet showed more than 236.5 Million Dollars of CASH. For ONLY comparison Skywest had 165.4 Million and Republic had 163.2. ExpressJet also has the LEAST amount of current debt of the three airlines compared.

Just thought I had a few interesting points to point out and I hope the offending posters are embaresed (if they pose the comon sense to realize their wrongs)
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The Cash and Cash Equivaltents are actually-

XJT - $253 million
SKYW - $261 million
RJET - $205 million
 
Following up on your logic, I assume then that you will NEVER want to work at any kind of legacy airline. For example: a topped out A300 capt at American only makes $.64/seat! The same topped out FO makes about $.44/seat.

Thanks to your "fuzzy math" logic, I can now see that Expressjet is now the place to retire at.:rolleyes:
 
Oh, man, I didn't realize how good I had it! I'm only an 8th-year captain at CommutAir, and I'm pulling down a sweet $2.01 a seat in the 1900. Wow!

:puke:
 
I must admit, I obviously didn't think that one out. I am the first to say that was a stupid addition to my post. I didn't think to expand that terrible logic. Sorry, the rest however looks sound.
 
CA1900 said:
Oh, man, I didn't realize how good I had it! I'm only an 8th-year captain at CommutAir, and I'm pulling down a sweet $2.01 a seat in the 1900. Wow!

:puke:
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And if you want a pay raise all you have to do is pull some seats out. Wonder what all those instructors in 152s are spending their money on? :cool:
 
ERJFO said:
I must admit, I obviously didn't think that one out. I am the first to say that was a stupid addition to my post. I didn't think to expand that terrible logic. Sorry, the rest however looks sound.
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Don’t worry about it, nothing personal. To be honest I’m just trying to get my posts into the triple digits. I hear one is considered ‘credible’ at that point.
 
CA1900 said:
Oh, man, I didn't realize how good I had it! I'm only an 8th-year captain at CommutAir, and I'm pulling down a sweet $2.01 a seat in the 1900.
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Guess you're not looking forward to the pay-cut that will come along with the Dash 8s, huh?
 
I hope Expressjet has something grand up their sleeve. I like seeing a well paid airline succeed, however, past success does not guarantee future success. U.S. airlines compete in a dynamic and ever changing market place. When 50 seaters were hot, Expressjet was all the rage. Unfortunately as we all know 50 seat lift has gone by the wayside and Expressjet is an operator of only 50 seaters for one codeshare partner. From an outsider's perspective it sounds like management has put 'all the eggs in one basket'. I hope Expressjet's management team is truly as visionary and sucessful as Contentinental's ala Gordon Bethune. Only time will tell.
 
Roswell, your right....Contract carriers have to adapt to the makets needs as well as stay diversified. If I were the bottom half of Expressjets list I would be punching out and hope for a soft landing.
 
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As a former CoEx'er (it was still called that when I flew there), I'm a little curious where the infrastructure will come from if they go with the branded flying. I know that they can not operate out of any CAL hubs, so would XJT have to contract ground handling, ticketing, etc. from another carrier or would they be able to implement their own ground handling and support staff??? Seems like that would be a huge capital investment if they had to start form square one.


Not trying to stir the pot, just curious. Any and all specualtion is welcome.
 
Mercury said:
As a former CoEx'er (it was still called that when I flew there), I'm a little curious where the infrastructure will come from if they go with the branded flying. I know that they can not operate out of any CAL hubs, so would XJT have to contract ground handling, ticketing, etc. from another carrier or would they be able to implement their own ground handling and support staff??? Seems like that would be a huge capital investment if they had to start form square one.


Not trying to stir the pot, just curious. Any and all specualtion is welcome.
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Actually a good bit of CAL's domestic outstations, including the majority served by XJT are XJT ground stations. CAL pays us to handle these, so they are trained by XJT and fully aware of our SOP's. As far as reservations goes, that is entirely different. But ground op's are not an issue.
 
Mercury said:
As a former CoEx'er (it was still called that when I flew there), I'm a little curious where the infrastructure will come from if they go with the branded flying. I know that they can not operate out of any CAL hubs, so would XJT have to contract ground handling, ticketing, etc. from another carrier or would they be able to implement their own ground handling and support staff??? Seems like that would be a huge capital investment if they had to start form square one.


Not trying to stir the pot, just curious. Any and all specualtion is welcome.
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Ground handling-Well if its the charter side it will be FBO services and if we fly branded flying it would consist of either our ramp crews or possible contract. We have already started working with Eagle and some outstations are opperated by American Eagle and some operated by XJT ground crew. Saves money and dont need double the ground equipment.

Ticketing- Ream said we already have begun that and that we have hired an out side firm to set this all up. Also we have a consulting firm that is watching the companies notes to add second opinion to what are plans are.

Alot of this has been in the works for a while. From what i have heard we have bought alot of ground equipment from FLYI garage sale. This isnt something that hasnt been started yet. The company is on top of things. Now lets see if they can pull it off. I hope so.:beer:
 
The sky is not falling at XJT like alot of people think. If it is so bad at XJT why has our management team not asked for concessions, they have asked for a contract extension(which should mean pay raises, even if slight). From everything I have heard the corporate flying may include more than the original 10-15 planes as there has been so much interest they are telling people they dont have capacity. Are 25 planes going to Aviacsa, sources say yes, who cares, well buy more if we need em. XJT money is diversified into more than just flying as well, large new paint shop in Saltilo, only embraer thrust reverser shop in N. America, composite company that repairs 95% of US Military helo rotor blades, im sure there are others. Some have said that XJT has all their eggs in one basket with CAL, no duh, that is how we were formed, did we have a choice? NO, do we have a choice now, yes. It takes time to do all of these things and if it takes a couple of more months before they annouce everything so that everything is lined up and ready to go, great take all the time in the world to figure this thing out so that it doesnt fail.
 
I know they got 142 cert. To train erj,legacy drivers and such. I guess they are charging around half what flight safety charges.
 

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