In-house or "decert" at Flex

[Imissmypilot]

The one thing that I found interesting in RH post is how much he blames the union for what he calls a lousy contract and how poorly the union negotiating team did. A couple of thoughts, first it happened during one of the worst economic downturn in the history of the US. Second it was a first contract negotiating with basically the same management that is place right now just a different mouthpiece. THIRD he just has accused management of lying and cheating!! Why do I say that? Because management had to show the union lawyers and negotiating team their books! If there was more money to be had I am sure they would have gone for it. Now IF KR is saying that there was then there must be a second set of books that was presented. However in my opinion I just believe that RH has no clue.

For a guy married to a lawyer you'd think he would be getting "counseled" to keep his mouth shut. For a guy who has already committed perjury you'd think he would be getting "counseled" to lay low. I'm not saying this to be trite. I am seriously concerned for him. I just don't see the longterm upside to him putting himself out on the limb like this. I get the feeling CGF is using him for dirty work and then when it is expedient for them to disavow him and his actions he will be up a river with no paddle.

As much as I detest his actions and those of the decert crew, no one wants to see old friends take the fall.

 

[GlorifiedCabbie]

There is no hiding it any longer. Phil and Frank are not pretending to want to represent the pilots with an in-house union any longer. Now that Frank has his G-650 slot, he is too busy to represent anyone but himself.

 

[Imissmypilot]

There is no hiding it any longer. Phil and Frank are not pretending to want to represent the pilots with an in-house union any longer. Now that Frank has his G-650 slot, he is too busy to represent anyone but himself.

The problem is no one wants to believe it. This company is full of "positive" thinkers; they take the side they are more culturally inclined to take and then assume, without any research, that side has their back and will do everything the way they would if they were running it.

So that cat might be out of the bag to the point it was hit by a mack truck but unless informed pilots go out there and let your crews know, most will assume Frank'n'Beans will "do the right thing." I actually heard someone said that this past week: "don't worry when it comes down to it Frank will do the right thing and start an in house." That statement is so stupid on so many levels couldn't even give advice to the guy having to listen to it all week.

 

[EnFuego]

Rumor has it they will file with the NMB today.

 

[EnFuego]

Check the porn lounge. It's on there.

 

[EnFuego]

If you submitted a card in the false assumption that frank was attempting an in house Union, you have the right to withdraw your card. But you must do it within the next 9 days! Text or email frank and and tell him to remove your card. Save the text or email as proof. He must legally remove your card. Immp, I think you posted something like this earlier, but I wanted to drive the point home. Also, you may legally contact frank on his company phone and email because he is holding out as your representative. That is straight from the lawyers. Please get the word out.

 

[GlorifiedCabbie]

A lot of the cards were sent in based on false pretenses or duress. RH was passing out decert cards in indoc. What is a new hire going to do? Sign the card just to avoid conflict. Now that Frank and Phil are no longer pretending to run an in house union, a vote for them means all pilots will suffer without representation. I personally don't have the time or patience to constantly argue with the company. The small amount of dues I pay, is well worth avoiding the hassle of dealing with CGF.