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... According to Rick, Ken lied to Rick too. It doesn't count as Rick lying to us if in good faith he only told us what Ken told him....

If that's true, then maybe it shouldn't count as Ricks lie, but it still counts for Ken. And if it is also true that Rick is telling people that Ken lied to him, then Ricks days are numbered when Ken finds out. The truth has always been fluid for Ken, it is one of the many reasons he has a unionized workforce, and it is amazing to me that you would prefer to work for someone that you say is a liar, without a contract.
 
Doh Rick did meeting at training center explained the process. no smoking gun and ppl are getting filtered through asap. There were small issues that have been corrected and we shouldn't have this same problem in a month.

if it's consolation Rick was caught by surprise with Ken's decision on the bonus. He was told one thing would happen, left for vacation, come back to the exact opposite been done. I felt bad for him. I think this while union thing is really getting him screwed. He knows first hand how working with Ken is and still feels we don't need the union meddling so I figure he know better than you. Reading between lines I'd guess what really happened was the union pissed Ken off enough to take away what had been agreed to. Future? Vote union, piss Ken off, it gets ugly.

Yep, think I'd rather take my chances with maybe than send in a card for a sure loss. Still though I admit every day brings a different decision.

Are you actually saying that the reason KR didn't pay a reasonable bonus was the POC/IBT made him mad? And, you think not having a union will make that better? You are in denial.

What part of "unpalatable" did you not understand? KR was NEVER going to pay a reasonable bonus.

Lastly, why would KR be "mad" about a single carrier filing? In his response letter he says he welcomes it and has been moving that direction since the sale.

(Also, proof read your posts before hitting the Submit Reply button, they make no sense at all.)
 
Okay, I sent a few texts, made a few phone calls, and here is the grand total of all "upgrades". Not one single FO is currently being paid captain pay. Zero, zip, nada.
 
Are you actually saying that the reason KR didn't pay a reasonable bonus was the POC/IBT made him mad? And, you think not having a union will make that better? You are in denial.

What part of "unpalatable" did you not understand? KR was NEVER going to pay a reasonable bonus.

Lastly, why would KR be "mad" about a single carrier filing? In his response letter he says he welcomes it and has been moving that direction since the sale.

(Also, proof read your posts before hitting the Submit Reply button, they make no sense at all.)

Make no sense but you figure out a way to respond. Already explained I'm on my phone only this week.

Not in denial just saying their explanation for everything seems reasonable so I'm going with it. There was union people right there so if Rick was lying they would have said something right? So it just is to me that's more evidence it's not all as doom filled as sine here make it siybd. Rick is not the bad guy here sorry.

I was anti union but almost sent in a card a couple months ago but glad I didbt. I grades are happened, new metal coming g in and next year well have 700 pilot work forforce. Ken Ricci coming in string for the win. But if that 700 is union I see Ken being a very different Ken and I'd rather take my chances. That's all.

I am still allow to have my own opinion in your version of America I hope.
 
Okay, I sent a few texts, made a few phone calls, and here is the grand total of all "upgrades". Not one single FO is currently being paid captain pay. Zero, zip, nada.

Because they're not IOE yet. No conspiracy. Try again. Rick said as soon as they are they will get bridge pay just like we did it under bombardier. No one being screwed. If you want to be mad red label getting OE first I'd be on your side but there's no truth that's what is hapoenibg.
 
Make no sense but you figure out a way to respond. Already explained I'm on my phone only this week.

Not in denial just saying their explanation for everything seems reasonable so I'm going with it. There was union people right there so if Rick was lying they would have said something right? So it just is to me that's more evidence it's not all as doom filled as sine here make it siybd. Rick is not the bad guy here sorry.

I was anti union but almost sent in a card a couple months ago but glad I didbt. I grades are happened, new metal coming g in and next year well have 700 pilot work forforce. Ken Ricci coming in string for the win. But if that 700 is union I see Ken being a very different Ken and I'd rather take my chances. That's all.

I am still allow to have my own opinion in your version of America I hope.

Flexible - your naivete is astounding!

RH said he would step down if KR wasn't doing right - yet he apparently came out and ADMITTED KR lied to him about the stip! Waiting for RH to stand down but he won't because he lied to you about not knowing about the stip. Think it was a coincidence that RH was playing boy scout when stip was announced? Me thinks that it was planned that way so RH could garner sympathy from those with their heads in the sand - people sorta like you.

RH himself has sent out messages and threats about not speaking about union organization on the property, as a matter of fact I believe a few of them went to Federal Court about it and his intimidation antics - so it would be safe to say that the union organizers in the room were smart to keep their mouths shut so as not to end up like the ones who lost their job. Try reading some of the messages the union puts out and try to refute the truth that they state. I haven't seen anything put out by the union organizers that has been disproved. I have found many statements put out by RH and KR that have been proven to be outright false.

Have you ever thought why is it that RH has a contract but he doesn't want the line pilots to have one? Think about that.

Flexible get your head out of the sand and grow a pair.
 
Make no sense but you figure out a way to respond. Already explained I'm on my phone only this week.

Not in denial just saying their explanation for everything seems reasonable so I'm going with it. There was union people right there so if Rick was lying they would have said something right? So it just is to me that's more evidence it's not all as doom filled as sine here make it siybd. Rick is not the bad guy here sorry.

I was anti union but almost sent in a card a couple months ago but glad I didbt. I grades are happened, new metal coming g in and next year well have 700 pilot work forforce. Ken Ricci coming in string for the win. But if that 700 is union I see Ken being a very different Ken and I'd rather take my chances. That's all.

I am still allow to have my own opinion in your version of America I hope.
After taking way longer to decipher message than I should have, I thinK I know what you're trying to say.

Don't be dramatic, of course you can have your own opinion. In this case you are uninformed but that's your choice.

We have been hearing about upgrades for months now. As of today, we don't any more captains than we had at the beginning of the year. We actually have less due to attrition and retribution terminations. Some guys are finally getting their line checks but that's not the same as a pay check.

You must think you are special if you're willing to take your chances with kr's vision of the 700 pilot workforce. You haven't worked at Corporate Wings for 15 years so you don't exist in the new world order.

There are Gulfstreams coming, if you want to interview for it, good luck.

Don't get confused about the timeline of things. The single carrier request was filed AFTER the generous bonus offer, not the other way around.
 
I can't decipher what flexible is trying to say, so I'm just going to ignore him?her? I got a text from someone I trust saying that seniority number 228 and above are getting captain pay. Why management has to act like everything is a deep dark secret is beyond me. Yammer was supposed to be a communication breakthrough, but you have to ring the smallest things out of them...smh...
 
I can't decipher what flexible is trying to say, so I'm just going to ignore him?her? I got a text from someone I trust saying that seniority number 228 and above are getting captain pay. Why management has to act like everything is a deep dark secret is beyond me. Yammer was supposed to be a communication breakthrough, but you have to ring the smallest things out of them...smh...

That makes 18 actual upgrades by my flex math. GW bypassed I heard, not sure if anyone else did too.

Everything is a state secret nowadays, like who's on the red label list. You didn't expect yammer to be anything but a propaganda outlet did you? It started out alright but when they realized just how screwed up things were between the office and the line they went radio silent real quick!
 
They can make this place anyway they want, so they must want it this way...if I may quote Mr Vegas.
 
That makes 18 actual upgrades by my flex math. GW bypassed I heard, not sure if anyone else did too.

Everything is a state secret nowadays, like who's on the red label list. You didn't expect yammer to be anything but a propaganda outlet did you? It started out alright but when they realized just how screwed up things were between the office and the line they went radio silent real quick!

Why was GW bypassed?
 
I think he turned down the 45 in hope of red label or the G.
 
What is "bridge pay"? a temporary B scale. Kenn has always wanted a two tier pay system.

"Bridge pay" is given when someone with a lower seniorty number upgrades before you. Your pay is then at the same rate as the one that upgraded, although you don't receive that pay increase until you upgrade. usually it's paid in a lump sum.

So technically all the fo's that are above the fo that upgraded captain in the gulfstream should be receiving bridge pay. Oh wait? I forgot, seniorty can be happily manipulated now.
 
Bridge pay, at least as flex has done it, is paid when someone below you upgrades before you. Your daily rate is then paid at your captain rate going forward. You do not wait until you upgrade.
 

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