I'm going to build my multi time by PFT

[ePilot22]

Sorry Guys!

CARGO,

I must apologize! I did tell that flame bait to post that in here. And while I think he does have big balls (relatively speaking) for doing so, it also proves he's an idiot.

There is a thread going in the General Board about PFT, which by the way, that moron John2375 calls FPT because he's not smart enough to know what he's talking about. Anyway here is the link:

http://forums.flightinfo.com/showthread.php?t=67808

"Multi time building post"

Please read through everthing if would take the time to do so. Most of the jacka$$s posting have around 1000 hours which of course explains a lot.

I hadn't heard of PFT until I read some posts in here and you guys really changed my mind about what it is to gain experience and not just buy flight time. So I hoped you might help with this issue once again. I know it's a worn and tired thing, but it looks as though some people are beginning to believe and tell others that it's legitimate.

Any support would be great!

And Imacdog, thanks! I feel like it's been a one sided conversation and you've really helped! I appreciate it!!!

eP.

 

[John2375]

Son, you've got a lot to learn.

My father was the greatest man who ever lived, to me , and I do NOT appreciate anyone else calling me son.

 

[John2375]

Hey John if your into wasting your money or mommy and daddy's money come my way and I'll baby sit you in on of our multi-engine trainers while you time build, after all I'm just here wasting my time flight instructing and stuck-in the- mud as you say. I'll be more than happy to take your money and build time on your dime you a$$clown!!!! Or better yet just go to Gulfstream Academy and let them rape you, I would'nt even fly with you or your attitude!!!!!

But that's the thing dude! One day you WILL be flying with me or someone who's done a PFT program.. They may not have it emblazoned on their hat or shirt, but are you really going to call the chief pilot and say, "Hey this guy I"m flying with - he says he paid for some time 10years ago to get his foot in the door -get my off this trip!" YOu'll be laughed at so hard they'll probably hit the floor!
I can't seem to get it across to any of you what I have found out from talking to people: The only ones that care so much about this issue is you guys -the future employers (by this I mean companies that offer jobs, not pay-for-training/time/jobs/fuel/whatever - I mean places that hire pilots who've been CFI's, time-builders, anyone-whos-qualified. They tell me over and over - as long as you're a good pilot, that's what matters.
NO I would not do a program like Key Lime Air as it is repeatedly put down and I can see why.
And programs such as the 727 program I'm leary of because it's cost is equal to a downpayment on a house!! (and i'd love to get a house) And moreover, I can't get anyone from the program to talk to me about what it's like, so I'm leary of dropping $33K and realizing (too late) that I was only allowed to fly when it was VFR w/50 miles visibility but when the going got tough, I was just sitting there while the Capt. handled it all. I'm not saying that happens, but since they can't put me in contact w/anyone who's ever done the program, I"m not about to drop that much money. I'm not stupid!
However, $4500 for 100 hours of multi-time is a steal and would get me in position, hours-wise, to at least fly for a couple companies I've talked to where the pay would not be great but I'd be doing somethign I really wanted to do.
I've thought about the CFI route and might just still do that, but like I said, I'd rather do it AFTER gaining some experience so I felt more confident about doing the best job possible as a teacher. As for somebody's offer to let me fly around in a twin - for one I wouldn't giveyou the satisfcation of the hours gained w/your attitude! lol
Second, even if we did all x/c flights, it's still not "real" unless we stuck to a schedule regardless of weather or anything else. And you know dang well that wouldn't happen. Flyign w/an operation that must fly regardless of anything gives you that though...and when I'm flying for xyz company 15 years from now and have 15,000 hours etc, etc...no on'e s gonna care one dang iota where hours # 350-500 came from.
If I were to do the CFI route, I'd want to do it w/a place like ATP that flies lots of multi time, but i've heard differing stories about the experiences over there....
Keep on thinking the PFT ruins the industry, or that it will mar me for life - I'm just telling you what i"ve been told and all of you conveniently ignore it.
Bad for industry? That would be when a seat it open for HIRE and they have qualified applicants and then decide to give it to the first dude who plunks down $X. That's not fair OR right.
Like all PFT operations, this is not the case - that seat you're paying to fly in for the experience and time, is NOT open for hire. Chuck Yeager couldn't even get that seat unless he put down the money. It's only available to those paying for the time. plain and simple.
If Delta started letting people pay $100K/year to fly the right seat of their 767, that would be bad for the industry -they don't, it's only open to qualified people. the pay for training programs are different - as someone not willing to pay for the time/training, you're not competing against anyone, you're not even in the running, so relax and go about your career however you choose, and I'll do the same!

 

[ePilot22]

Son!

I can't seem to get it across to any of you what I have found out from talking to people: The only ones that care so much about this issue is you guys -the future employers (by this I mean companies that offer jobs, not pay-for-training/time/jobs/fuel/whatever - I mean places that hire pilots who've been CFI's, time-builders, anyone-whos-qualified. They tell me over and over - as long as you're a good pilot, that's what matters.

Did you ask them about FPT or PFT? And of course they'll hire you if you PAY them $4500. They're not as stupid as you.

However, $4500 for 100 hours of multi-time is a steal and would get me in position, hours-wise, to at least fly for a couple companies I've talked to where the pay would not be great but I'd be doing somethign I really wanted to do.

It's a steal alright, from your fellow pilots and the industry!

Keep on thinking the PFT ruins the industry, or that it will mar me for life - I'm just telling you what i"ve been told and all of you conveniently ignore it.

edited at request of poster, but what these guys ARE telling you is even if your employer doesn't care, WE do!

Like all PFT operations, this is not the case - that seat you're paying to fly in for the experience and time, is NOT open for hire.

Man you just aren't very quick are you? It's NOT open for hire because dumba$$s like YOU are willing to PAY to work!

If Delta started letting people pay $100K/year to fly the right seat of their 767, that would be bad for the industry -they don't, it's only open to qualified people.

Trust me Delta would LOVE to have people pay $100k, we're not all as stupid as you!

Are you starting to see a pattern here? You're an idiot and you make no sense. Paying to do the job of a commercial pilot is stealing from that pilot. You are shortchanging yourself and cheating the industry. QUIT! Educate yourself and stop being a dumba$$!!!


eP.

 

[John2375]

you're hopelesss.
I told you everything and yet you ask the SAME QUESTIONS over and over.
Once more - YES i told them about the PFT operations, and YES they were just fine with it.
I'm not going to keep banging my head against a brick wall - youre clearly a total imbecile who can't comprehend a view different from his own.
Good luck to you -see you in the skies one day and NO you wnt' be able to tell if I guy ever paid for time or not by looking at him. It's not like spotting a bad toupee.

 

[ATRCAPT]

ePilot22 wanted me to start a thread in here about paying for training which I think is an excellent way to advance your career and which I will be doing in the coming months.
I am NOT a teacher and certainly am not going to teach something I have little experience in, so the CFI route is out for me.
I will be attending a program (not sure which one yet) that will allow me to gain valuable experience, leap-frog over the ones who are stuck-in-the-mud doing it the "right" way (just to prove a point i thinK) and will gain the necessary foot-in-the-door so hard to comeby in this industry.
Apprently he thinks his opinion is the only one that counts, and that leads me to believe he can't afford such a program and is jealous, and that's his problem. He said I wouldnt' have the balls to post this here, so I guess I got a nice sack now dont' I??!
My views /thoughts on PFT are wellknown and since I have spoken w/potential employers about these programs and THEY HAVE NO PROBLEM with it, I have no problem standing behind my beliefs since it's only those of you on these boards who seem to have such an issue with it.
There you go.
imp:

Your inexperience is ALREADY showing. In about five years you'll realize what an incredible wast of money PFT is. G'day!

 

[ePilot22]

Your genius is beyond me!

Good luck to you -see you in the skies one day and NO you wnt' be able to tell if I guy ever paid for time or not by looking at him. It's not like spotting a bad toupee.

If you're so proud then why don't you tell they pilot you're flying with that you PFT'd? You seem to think it's ok, but yet you say nobody will ever know.

And I'm the "imbecile".


eP.

 

[PCL_128]

you're hopelesss.

No my friend, it is you who appears to be hopeless. You have many pilots on this board with much more experience than you telling you that this is a bad idea and bad for the profession. Despite all of that, you still think it's ok. Don't you think it might be wise to listen to the guys that have been in the industry for a while? Use some common sense here instead of trying to rationalize this.

As many people around here know, I PFT'd at GIA about 5 years ago. I did so because I didn't have the information available to me that you have now. I didn't talk to a bunch of pilots that told me it was the wrong thing to do. You aren't at the same disadvantage, so don't go the same route I did. Listen to the people that have more experience than you.

 

[John2375]

Andonce agian, you guys don't or won't listen to what I"m saying:
READ MY POST AGAIN

Then to re-iterate:
The Chief Pilots of many companies I have spoken with HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH PAY FOR TIME/TRAINING PROGRAMS.
I'l repeat since it appears to not get into your heads:
The Chief Pilots of many companies I have spoken with HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH PAY FOR TIME/TRAINING PROGRAMS

And once more for good measure:
The Chief Pilots of many companies I have spoken with HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH PAY FOR TIME/TRAINING PROGRAMS

And not telling about PFT is nothing to do w/not being proud - I didnt mean that, I meant that looking at a guy, you can't tell - that's all - i didn't say I'd w/hold the information or lie about it, I just meant a PFT dude isn't going to have it written across his forehead!
I"m done with this - you guys are hopeless - go back and live in your fantasy world.

 

[CapnVegetto]

Poor dumb kid. Has no clue what he's talking about. Go spend $100K for an $18K a year job. It's your money. Or Daddy's.

Dumba$$.

 

[RichardRambone]

We understand the point that your future CP's don't mind that you PFTed, why would they? Your not hurting the CP's, your hurting all your fellow pilots. YOU need to understand that for every job you buy, some other pilot can't be paid for it. YOU need to understand that for every job you buy, some other pilot can't be paid for it. I repeat, YOU need to understand that for every job you buy, some other pilot can't be paid for it. Now I understand that you want everything now, as I sometimes do to, but god dang whats the rush to be underpaid by a company b/c jacka$$ like you would rather pay for the priviledge to fly?

 

[John2375]

Poor dumb kid. Has no clue what he's talking about. Go spend $100K for an $18K a year job. It's your money. Or Daddy's.

Dumba$$.

ONCE AGAIN AND FOR THE FOURTH TIME:
I"m NOT paying $100k for an $18k/year job.
Paying $4500 for 100 hours of multi time is not the same.

And I believe we ALL paid maybe not quite a 100 grand, but a damm LOT of money for our ratings to get that initial $18k/year job.

And btw, I'm no kid - probably old enough to be your father.
And one more thing, once more: These PFT jobs are NOT AVAILABLE to those not paying for the training and/or time.

And lastly - I'm not spending DADDY"s money. My father died when I was 5 years old and no he wasn't some rich guy and i'm not living off inheritance.
I"m not a kid, once agian, so let's stop with the disrespectful comments like that.

 

[NYCPilot]

Dude, why are you so bent.

If its a commerical operation, and you're not being paid, its PFJ, pure and simple. You may say its only 4500 and you're only doing it for experience, but so are the guys that get hired and paid to do it. At that level, they're most likely doing it for experience too.

Take that 4500 and go split 50 hrs with a friend in a multi.

Its like an ugly guy who cant get laid by a hot girl, so he goes and paids a hot hooker to sleep with him.

 

[dirtybird]

Take that 4500 and go split 50 hrs with a friend in a multi.

That's what I'm doing!

 

[gfvalvo]

Its like an ugly guy who cant get laid by a hot girl, so he goes and paids a hot hooker to sleep with him.

Don't kid yourself. When it comes to sex, we ALL pay for it. One way or another.