If/When Spirit Strikes

[Rez O. Lewshun]

Yes a senior legacy ramper makes more than a junior legacy FO. Not to mention there are plenty of legacy FO's on furlough so they are making less than everybody who is actually working.

Please explain how asking somone not to diminsh the contributions and skill of other labor groups makes me a union hater? I did not throw out the red herring, re-read Mikes post. Do-nothing CSR's, unskilled $6.50 an hour rampers. Those are not my words.

You violated a IAM labor contract!! You hate unions and embrace casino/croney/disaster capitalism!! The question becomes...how do you not hate unions!

No one is diminishing the contributions of other labor groups.... if anyone one is... it is your buddy YIP!

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

I asked you to comment on Air Wisconsin, since what they are doing was what i was suggesting . All I got was ALPA's been doing it a long time. Well why does it work or why doesn't it? Why will Air Wisconsin be different or not?

Watching you an Rez flailing around is sad. I have asked you twice and Rez three times about Air Wisconsin, neither of you will discuss it and then you ask me what are my suggestions. Well HELLO! My suggestion is what Air Wisconsin did. If you don't want to talk about my suggestion, why then do you keep asking me?

I think I know exactly what it is now. It's all personal. If you say what Air Wisconsin did was wrong or won't work, you are going against ALPA and AW's MEC, if you say Air Wisconsin is right and its a good plan, then that demonstrates there is merit in what I said and you would be agreeing with me, well we can't have that can we? It would make the two of you look bad.

So my points remain and they are the same for the last 20 posts: Unity in labor groups may be an avenue we want to explore further, the last three strikes weakened the airlines involved with them so I don't think we should continue down that road with Spirit, and the radical change is coming up with something other than more strikes. You have yet to provide any opinion on Air Wisconsin or evidence that the last three strikes made ALPA stronger. That is what I am waiting for. Stick your personal opinions about me up your @rse and just discuss the F'in topic if you want, but if you want to discuss Republicans, monkeys, bowling, and baseball, then who really has nothing constructive to offer?

Ask me to knock this one out of the park for you.... but you got ask nicely...... in fact.... you got to beg. Pretty please beg. C'mon say it.....

 

[AirCobra]

I don't know if it is meaningless... you've refused to offer it.
No you refuse to comment on it but still ask anyway.

Got it... you refuse to back up your assertions and then tell me to opine on something you brought up. I am asking you to back up what you've said, not what I said.
I don't think what we are doing is working and went into great detail why. You don't agree, you want to continue business as usual. How have you backed up you assertions business as usual is the answer?

Again. I didn't bring up these strikes. You did.
Isn't "Spirit Strikes" in the title of this thread?



So again... you brought up that labor coalitions in house are more effective that a job action. I ask you to expand. You cannot. Strike 1.
So I asked you why you think AW did it. Still waiting on that one.

I ask you to expand on what you brought up as needed.... a radical shift at ALPA and how. You cannot. Strike 2.
Coalitions, moving away from strikes as the only solution. Said that at least six or seven times. Still waiting why you don't think this is a good idea, other than it came from me. What do you have against Air Wisconsin's MEC?

Then you proceed to bait me into engaging in topics that you bring up so you don't have to actually justify your misguided thoughts. Strike 3. You're out.
You mean like unjustly attacking ALPA pilots who happen to be military reservists. Its against our code of ethics if you haven't looked. You trying to justify that kind of garbage is what is troubling. Who here has the ego problem? Can you ever say you made a mistake? Nope its more rationalization and more insults. I didn't bait you, you said what you said of your own accord. "I can accuse military pilots of wrongdoing without evidence because I sent them a care package." Are you serious!

But again... you can't let go of the banana in the jar...... meaning.. you'll be back.... keep lofting in those underhand pitches and I'll keep hitting them out of the park.... your ego won't let you stop.
How do you know I am not the tree in your analogy, or the jar?

Rez you are like a Mets game, boring and full of errors.

 

[AirCobra]

You violated a IAM labor contract!! You hate unions and embrace casino/croney/disaster capitalism!! The question becomes...how do you not hate unions!

No is diminishing the contributions of other labor groups.... if anyone one is... it is your buddy YIP!

You viloate ALPA's Code of Ethics. I made a mistake, can you admit you did the same?

 

[AirCobra]

Ask me to knock this one out of the park for you.... but you got ask nicely...... in fact.... you got to beg. Pretty please beg. C'mon say it.....

Okay talk about Air Wisconsin and the outcome of the last three strikes. I am still waiting. I will add foul balls sometimes go out of the park too.

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

You viloate ALPA's Code of Ethics. I made a mistake, can you admit you did the same?

Negative. Many haters have tried the CoE tact, it is an indication that they have no game.

First off.... Please provide your ALPA number so I can verfiy you are in fact an ALPA pilot for whom the CoE applies.

Second, this is a moniker message board and you are under no obligation to be here and this this is not a job location.


Another homerun hit off your weak pitches. C'mon... throw me another....

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

Okay talk about Air Wisconsin and the outcome of the last three strikes. I am still waiting. I will add foul balls sometimes go out of the park too.

That is not begging.... you can do better.....

 

[PCL_128]

Give me your analysis of the last three strikes (United, Northwest, Comair), where are those airlines now?

All three strikes were highly effective and accomplished a great deal for the profession. What is your point? Are you trying to claim that those strikes drove these airlines into bankruptcy? If that's your point, then you're delusional. All three strikes happened many years prior to any bankruptcy filings, and in the case of UAL, several intermediate contracts separated the strike from the bankruptcy. The two items are completely unrelated. The strikes were effective.

Yes a senior legacy ramper makes more than a junior legacy FO.

Simply not true.

Please explain how asking somone not to diminsh the contributions and skill of other labor groups makes me a union hater?

What makes you a union hater is your intentional violation of a labor union contract, and then trying to justify it to everyone here when they tell you you were wrong. And then, ironically, you want to talk about unity amongst different employee groups. Unbelievable!

Why did ramp workers at UAL make $60K, why did reservations agents make $50K?

Because those were reasonable salaries for workers at max longevity after contributing their lives to their employers.

I asked you to comment on Air Wisconsin, since what they are doing was what i was suggesting . All I got was ALPA's been doing it a long time. Well why does it work or why doesn't it? Why will Air Wisconsin be different or not?

I'm not sure why you keep coming back to this, because it's not a substitute for a job action. The entire purpose of these kinds of labor coalitions is to increase the effectiveness of a job action. Labor coalitions are designed increase the pressure on management by convincing them that if you go on strike, the other employee groups will honor your picket lines. Without the threat of a strike, the labor coalition has no teeth. This is what Rez keeps trying to tell you when he asks "where is the coercion?" Without the leverage of self help, all the coalitions in the world mean nothing.

Watching you an Rez flailing around is sad.

The only one flailing here is you. Your only supporter on this thread is a member of management at a fourth-tier freight hauler that almost went out of business recently. Great company you're keeping there.

Unity in labor groups may be an avenue we want to explore further

Agreed. Now let's start with you admitting that it doesn't build unity to intentionally violate an IAM contract. Sound good?

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

[Got it... you refuse to back up your assertions and then tell me to opine on something you brought up. I am asking you to back up what you've said, not what I said.
I don't think what we are doing is working and went into great detail why. You don't agree, you want to continue business as usual. How have you backed up you assertions business as usual is the answer?

no you haven't gone into detail. But you'll say you have...What have you got to lose?

Again. I didn't bring up these strikes. You did.
Isn't "Spirit Strikes" in the title of this thread?

Weak attempt. Again... logical fallacy. Why not bring up any strike in the history of labor?

So again... you brought up that labor coalitions in house are more effective that a job action. I ask you to expand. You cannot. Strike 1.
So I asked you why you think AW did it. Still waiting on that one.

You can ask me why the sky is blue. That doesn't mean I am obligated to answer. You stated in house alliances were better, while you are not obligated to answer, displaying the ability not to back up what you've said only shows your ignorance. Look, anyone can say anything... what separates the knowledgeable from the idiots is the ability to justify what they've said. Can you do it?

I ask you to expand on what you brought up as needed.... a radical shift at ALPA and how. You cannot. Strike 2.
Coalitions, moving away from strikes as the only solution. Said that at least six or seven times.

Again... anyone can say anything. I think speed of light space travel is the best way to go the Mars and beyond and NASA are fools for not doing it. Get it? Probably not.

Still waiting why you don't think this is a good idea other than it came from me. What do you have against Air Wisconsin's MEC?

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The burden is on you. It is your idea. No is responsible for debunking your thoughts and ideas. No one is going to waste time debunking the ideas of idiots. The idiots have to prove themselves intelligent before they will be taken seriously. It is well within reason to simply dismiss general ideas with no substance.

You have to show why it is a good idea and convince others to take your idea, work for change and make it happen. This is very difficult in human dynamics. Most people don't have the skillset, simply give up, state they hate politics, hate ALPA and just criticize. This is you. These are the haters. They lack the ability to formulate ideas into pragmatic action.....

 

[AirCobra]

All three strikes were highly effective and accomplished a great deal for the profession. What is your point? Are you trying to claim that those strikes drove these airlines into bankruptcy? If that's your point, then you're delusional. All three strikes happened many years prior to any bankruptcy filings, and in the case of UAL, several intermediate contracts separated the strike from the bankruptcy. The two items are completely unrelated. The strikes were effective.
Just a coincidence then that those three airlines are the weakest ones?Okay then we disagree, doesn't make anyone delusional. If Spirit stirkes and goes under or declares bankruptcy will you say the same thing? Are furloughed pilots or voided contracts your definition of stronger?


Simply not true.
Sure it is.



What makes you a union hater is your intentional violation of a labor union contract, and then trying to justify it to everyone here when they tell you you were wrong. And then, ironically, you want to talk about unity amongst different employee groups. Unbelievable!
Not at all, I even said I made a mistake. I was talking about better relationships between labor groups and perhaps things like that were somehing that needed to be addressed because late departures screw us all over, and other IAM contracts don't have that provision. The rest of my comments were to point out hyperbole and a self righteous attitude of people who have done, or will do the exact same thing, especially if they personally benefit. I give Lear props to at least admit what we all have done. Too bad for the rest of you. Hey but if it makes you feel better about yourself, then by all means, keep pretending.


I'm not sure why you keep coming back to this, because it's not a substitute for a job action. The entire purpose of these kinds of labor coalitions is to increase the effectiveness of a job action. Labor coalitions are designed increase the pressure on management by convincing them that if you go on strike, the other employee groups will honor your picket lines. Without the threat of a strike, the labor coalition has no teeth. This is what Rez keeps trying to tell you when he asks "where is the coercion?" Without the leverage of self help, all the coalitions in the world mean nothing.
Did you forget about the bargaining process? Do you then believe the AW MEC's actions were wrong?


You need to figure some things out son. Listening to Rez will only make miserable. He is all about creating dissension among people for his own personal gain and screwing others to get ahead. Rez does not believe in personal responsibility, he is all about blaming others for his shortcomings. Don't become like him.



The only one flailing here is you. Your only supporter on this thread is a member of management at a fourth-tier freight hauler that almost went out of business recently. Great company you're keeping there.

And his from a guy who got his flight time flying mainline domestic routes for half the pay, and who now works for ValuJet. I wouldn't insult someone like Yip who has hired and trained hundreds of pilots and gave lots of people a chance to learn to fly a jet the right way, while you have partially contributed to the problems our industry is facing by flying an RJ for peanuts and working for a predatory discount airline. So lets not start trying to measure integrity here.

The only supporter "in this thread" is a good caveat. I posted plenty of links and named plenty of people that have said many of the same things I have...oh I forgot they are all haters. PCL the drycleaners called, your ALPA Cheerleader uniform is ready.

Agreed. Now let's start with you admitting that it doesn't build unity to intentionally violate an IAM contract. Sound good?
I already did. Why don't you stop pretending your $hit don't stink. Sound good? How long has Air Tran been in ALPA, like 20 minutes. Sorry that its hard to take you seroiusly when you are going to tell us all how things should be done.