If everyone hates their airline why not quit

[HalinTexas]

Plain and simple: We can't afford it. In case you didn't know, when you leave one flying job for another you give up seniority and the pay comiserate with the years of service.

When you're at a regional/small jet operator it's easier to take the hit to start over. When you've moved on to higher paying companies it's embarrassing to say the least to take the pay cut.

Ex: I started at the other, really crappy, TSA in late 1993. Made $16,600 my first year. Spent five long years there, left for greener pastures in late 1998 in the middle of Jungle jet transition. I was to be the No. 1 Captain in JFK on an RJ making about $43,000 a year. Ever try to live in NYC on that income? That's why I commute. To live where it's cheaper. Duh!

To continue. I took a $10,000/year paycut to go to ATA. Hired into the L10. Pay, benefits, schedules weren't all that great, but it was a he!! of a lot better than where I came from. I got a B757 type as an FO/IO and bought a house in 2003 based on FO pay in 2002. I upgraded to Captain on the B737 in less than 5 years in a slightly better state of the industry. I thought I had it made. Was pretty damn happy, in fact, 2003 was the happiest year of my life. 2004 sucked, one of the worst.

Today. ATA is in BK, should emerge, but then so what? We're a whiff of swamp gas compared to what we were. I turned 40 and began my 8th year at ATA last month. I've been downgraded to FO on the B73. I made $123K last year, now I'm making about $67K, $5K less than I was making 3 years ago. If there was no BK, paycuts/freezes etc. I'd be making around $150 a year! Holy sh!t. If they doesn't upset someone even just a little, then I don't know what to tell you.

New hire pay at the larger carriers is somewhere between $30K (CAL) to $50K (SWA, FEDEX) to $40K at Netjets (nice job, btw).

My home life is awsome. When I go home, all is well, I'm very happy.

Here's your answer. What do you tell your family, your creditors, your child-support dependent ex, or your non-aviation friends why you took another huge paycut to start over? I'm a grown man with adult responsibilities. If I could go sideways in this career (gaffaw! :laugh: ) I would, but it's not so simple. So you stick it out if you can, interview at places you can afford to go if they'll hire you, and hope for the best. In the mean time, it's my career, I'll cry if I want to.

 

[DirkkDiggler]

Who's talking about pay on this thread?

This guy:

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3) Although I do believe in a free market it occurs to me that the market, when dealing with the airline industry, is artificially off set. I think it may be because of this that first year FOs are paid 19,000 a year and for the same reason why airlines will not raise ticket prices. Please note that this is just a theory of mine and I have no research to back it.

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And this guy:

If any of the large regionals out there offered unpaid internships for first year FO's (Mesa, XJT XJ, 9E, Eagle, Comair, Colgan, ASA, ect) there would be people banging down the door to get one.

 

[mr roper]

I quit flying for a living. I thought while working at mesa I had hit rock bottom. Most mesa pilots are miserable and hate their jobs. However, I was way wrong. The second regional I briefly worked at was was worse. I finally had all I could take. I called screw scheduling and just quit. I spent several months soul searching trying to decide what to do with myself.
I finally accepted an job using my college business degree. I am out of the office, and on the road a couple days a week. Life is great. I feel the best Ive felt in years. My biological clock has reset itself. I got to work at 8 am and go home at 4 pm, monday through friday. i will never miss another christmas, thanksgiving, new years eve , super bowl party, concert, nascar race, wedding, golf tournament etc , etc again because of my job. I decided long ago. Its not about the number of days off per month. Its the quality of those days off that counts. Finishing your trip in the evening (with 2 days off) and starting the next trip early in the morning makes for a short weekend. Commuting is nearly impossible. I work to live. I dont live to work.
Everytime I see or hear an airplane go over head, I stop what im doing and watch it. I still love to fly. I never go back flying for a living. Its the greatest job in the world from the time the FA closes the door until she opens it The rest of the crap you have with daily makes it not worth it to me.

Merry Christmas
Fly safe

 

[mamba20]

LOL, what a dumb thread. Back to the pond rookie! You'll figure it out soon enough. Once the doors are closed its great assuming you fly with cool people, but I'm not so sure its worth all the BS that goes along with it.

 

[jetfo]

He'll figure it out! And Mr Roper, good for you. Just wait until you can afford a VLJ and then you can fly for yourself when and where you want Maybe to that superbowl, while the rest of us are waiting at security.

 

[Ride Orange]

OI812,
The biggest thing you will notice in training is the whinning from the peeps that have never been through the things you have. I've done both (military and 121) and I thought training was a breeze, while others truly faced the toughest thing they have ever done. It's all about perspective. On that note, you can't really have a discussion on a place like this with people who haven't seen things from your side of the fence. And about the sacrifices others mentioned....you have already far exceeded that so it will be cake. And if you could corner one of the people that bitch about their job on here all of the time and asked them what else they would rather be doing instead...they probably wouldnt be able to think of anything. A bitching pilot is a happy pilot...er..sort of.

Good luck in initial!

 

[YourPilotFriend]

If pilots didn't complain, we would be a lot worse than we are now.

 

[miles otoole]

What he should have had is the left seat, with a great schedule and a multi million dollor lumpsum distribution at age sixty, for his many years of sacrifices and dedicated service. So much for that.

According to you? A multimillion dollar retirement for a blue collar job? Are you insane? With the technology today, the money should go to the aircraft engineers. Much of your salary in this industry in this salary better be in the enjoyment of the flying.

 

[suupah]

its hard/really hard to quite and go somewhere else because they make it so hard with the no pay or low pay during training, super low first year pay and go to the end of the line hiring. Once you ahve been somewhere for alittle bit it is just about impossible to go somewhere else.

 

[nonstop]

According to you? A multimillion dollar retirement for a blue collar job? Are you insane? With the technology today, the money should go to the aircraft engineers. Much of your salary in this industry in this salary better be in the enjoyment of the flying.

LOL... as soon as I get to stop practicing single engine non-precision approaches in the simulator I'll agree with that. In the mean time, all the engineers have done is stifle our career progression by removing a required crew member position (FE's). If anything the training has become more difficult because you not only have to learn how to not rely on automation, you have to learn how to rely on it as well.

As to the guy asking "why not quit your job if you're not happy?" I'd suggest staying in the military. If you have to ask that question you have no idea what you're getting into in the real world. Broken promises, dead ends, lost pensions are the norm here my friend... unfortunately it's not isolated to the airlines either.