If Delta had asked this, woudl the pilot have accepted?

[kassel737]

Look at CALs 737-500 pay and EMB-190. Maybe 8-10 seat less and what will the pay be at JB? Exactly.

 

[B6Driver]

Don't believe the hype and do a little research before spouting off about something you obviously know very little about or just wallow in your ignorance with the rest, the choice is yours.

 

[Dizel8]

Maybe Song and the rest of the airlines wouuld be a profitable or close to profitable if JB would charge a little more for ticket prices.

Considering jetblue already maintains a fare premium over Song, how much higher should we go, 50%? Since Song does not match jetblue now, would they do if we charged even more?

 

[kassel737]

So then how much can a Capt. expect to make in the 190 without being a whore for time?

 

[Dizel8]

Random date:

JFK-FLL
Song $141
Jetblue $161
AA JFK-MIA for $121.
SWA ISP-FLL $210

So Kassel, tell me again who is keeping fares down?

 

[ultrarunner]

I took a quick peek at 5 year numbers for 320 Cpt's at JB vs. UAL. And the FO numbers. Both within a couple of bucks.

Wouldn't appear that JB is the one "lowering the bar".

Very enlightening.

 

[B6Driver]

Thanks for all the credit you give JetBlue for lowering fares in America.

Fare wars existed way before JB was ever on the radar screens of the airline industry yet, " if JB would charge a little more for ticket prices, all would be fine in this crazy business".

Take your ugly finger of blame and stick it at the person / group who is really to blame; yourself, your union, and your company management.
Yourself for believing all the hype and fostering your sense of entitlement as a birth right. The union knew that these demands were unsustainable in this very cyclical market. Lastly, your totally incompetent management groups for being down right stupid at every turn.

Now, I am the first to say that if you don't ask, you won't get but this thought process must be tempered in reality with an eye on the long term goal of our careers.

Fire away....I love a good discussion.

 

[kassel737]

So b6driver, what will the pay be for the EMB-190 Capt. Is it too embarrasing to tell?

 

[FurloughedTwice]

Random date:

JFK-FLL
Song $141
Jetblue $161
or take AA JFK-MIA for $97.

Tell me again who is keeping fares down!

I wouldn't go down that road!!

Random date.

JetBlue - SEA to BOS $119
Alaska - SEA to BOS $409
AA - SEA to BOS $549

 

[Dizel8]

So b6driver, what will the pay be for the EMB-190 Capt. Is it too embarrasing to tell?

Go to www.airlinepilotcentral.com, they have the numbers for most carriers.

 

[Hair-on-Fire]

I think Song is a great product! It blows Jetblue out of the water! .

Yea, look how it blew them out of the water.

 

[Dizel8]

I wouldn't go down that road!!

Random date.

JetBlue - SEA to BOS $119
Alaska - SEA to BOS $409
AA - SEA to BOS $549

Your need a new search engine

SEA-BOS on AA: $196
SEA-BOS on jbu: $198

However, we both know that really isn't the point, since fare fluctuates from day to day, the point is, that it isn't a single airline keeping the fares low, sadly, all airline are guilty of it. Overheard in the board room: "Who cares if we lose money, look at the marketshare"!

 

[Publishers]

The fact is that the industry was going to change. It was inevitable. You can continue the whine without the cheese but this is the new generation and the new industry. In the old days, you saw that older grey haired four stripper sitting up there in an aircraft made by one of 10 manufacturers with all kinds of varibles of service levels and pricing.
Today,, you get on your Boeing or Airbus, all is pretty much the same and you go to another airport where you get treated like the crap you went through at the first one.

You can bitch about the change, but, from a passenger perspective, it is not the same either.

 

[kassel737]

$89 for A Capt.and $53 for an FO, sounds like what it cost to fly on JB to LA. Let me get this right, the EMB-190 ia a hundred seat plane and they pay this. No plan a or b, 5 year contract, and a paltry 3% match. It is what it is.

 

[Dizel8]

Yep!!

Why are you not also upset at Midex and their pay on the 717 or U with a 12 year A-320 pilot making $125?

Take at look at some of the payscales on that site , I bet it could keep your panties in a wad for days!

 

[holdon]

Well, why don't these JB pilots get a union on property and raise their wages. Any union. Oh, that's right. They have a 4 or 5 year contract and the company would just get rid of them. So much for a profession.

That's it, A Union is the Answer!! Man, that ALPA sure does go to bat for it's constituents. Bring um on (but don't shoot until you see the whites of their eyes)

 

[kassel737]

Obviously you don't mind the expressjet wages to fly the 190.

 

[Dizel8]

Obviously you don't mind the expressjet wages to fly the 190.

Kassel, since you are so smart, why don't you tell the class, what the solution is? Clearly, it isn't neccesarily unionizing, because that hasn't helped lately.

So let's hear from you, what should pilots be doing, how can we all raise our wages?

 

[kassel737]

Get some type of organized group to say we are not working for the BS wages they are paying. Union? I don't care what you get. Without a union it is somewhat more difficult to get everyone on the same page. Tell me though, why do they have a five year contract? What is the purpose? Is it to intimidate pilots to not form a union? It's been done before.

 

[Dizel8]

Oh you mean like the UALPA, they really told management didn't they or the union at UAL? Heck, let's see what happens at NWA and DAL?

The five year contract has been discussed ad naseum, do a search!