If DAL sells Comair and ASA, should the employee's keep their DOH pass privileges?

[BigMotorToter]

O.K. all you Delta employee's, should the Comair and ASA people keep their DOH pass privileges or not if they are sold. Does any other feeder airline give their employee's DOH for passes even though they are not wholly owned?

 

[General Lee]

O.K. all you Delta employee's, should the Comair and ASA people keep their DOH pass privileges or not if they are sold. Does any other feeder airline give their employee's DOH for passes even though they are not wholly owned?

Ummmmmmmm, no? I mean yes? Only the ones that are junior to me? I don't know. Is this flame bait? Yes, it is. Thanks for caring Bigmotortoter.....??

Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[PCL_128]

I say the ASA guys get to keep it but the Comair guys don't. That sound about right General?

 

[CF34-3B1]

If you fly an A320, you aren't a part of DAL or DCI. Why would you possibly care?

 

[General Lee]

If you fly an A320, you aren't a part of DAL or DCI. Why would you possibly care?

Total flame bait.



Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[BigMotorToter]

It's not a flame at all. Everyone is so quick to pull a trigger around here. I have a relative that I use passes from to commute. Just wondering if my commute will get easier or not. Also wondering if this would be a precedent if they did keep them.

G.L. and CF34-3B1: I care about as much as you and the rest of my former ALPA brothers and sisters cared when the TWA pilots were screwed to the wall. Where was the careing then?

 

[General Lee]

It's not a flame at all. Everyone is so quick to pull a trigger around here. I have a relative that I use passes from to commute. Just wondering if my commute will get easier or not. Also wondering if this would be a precedent if they did keep them.

G.L. and CF34-3B1: I care about as much as you and the rest of my former ALPA brothers and sisters cared when the TWA pilots were screwed to the wall. Where was the careing then?

The TWA case was a tough one since American wasn't ALPA. You know that. A non-ALPA carrier can do whatever they want. What could we have done? Not much.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[chperplt]

It's not a flame at all. Everyone is so quick to pull a trigger around here. I have a relative that I use passes from to commute.

You buy passes to commute.. Why not jumpseat??

Flaime bait... I say yes

 

[surplus1]

I have a relative that I use passes from to commute. Just wondering if my commute will get easier or not. Also wondering if this would be a precedent if they did keep them.

If you're using passes for business you're not only flaming, you're violating the rules. Maybe you and your "relative" should both lose your passes, and that wouldn't be a precedent.

 

[bandit110]

If you're using passes for business you're not only flaming, you're violating the rules. Maybe you and your "relative" should both lose your passes, and that wouldn't be a precedent.

I thought commuting was considered personal use. Don't companies claim that everyone is responsible to be in their base and we can't write off commuting expenses because according to the IRS we are not required to commute. I'll stop using my pass privledges if I have to, but does anyone really want me knocking on the front door with a jumpseat form when there are 50 open seat in the back and I have privledges on the airline? Is it just ok for the employee to use them for commuting and not for the people on their privledges? I figured my wife could commute on line if she wanted to work in a city we don't live in even though she doesn't work in the industry but if her boss asked her to show up in a third city she would be in violation of the policy.

 

[doh]

I am geussing that we would revert to the old system. Buy passes for $25? I think it was. I can't imagine they would let us keep the doh. But that, like our immanent sale, is speculation.

 

[NAA Pilot]

What could we have done? Not much.


Bye Bye--General Lee

They (you) did less than that!!!!

 

[Huck]

When I was at ASA we were 25% owned by DAL, and all we got were ID 90's.

 

[FL000]

I would imagine we would keep DOH, but regress to S3B.

 

[chperplt]

I would imagine we would keep DOH, but regress to S3B.

Actually, you would probably become S3Cs... just like SKY and CHQ are now.

 

[CLE145CA]

O.K. all you Delta employee's, should the Comair and ASA people keep their DOH pass privileges or not if they are sold. Does any other feeder airline give their employee's DOH for passes even though they are not wholly owned?

Yes, CAL for ExpressJet....but only until 2007. When CAL sold us off , the agreement allows ExpressJet employess to keep their CAL pass privileges based on DOH until the end of the capacity purchase agreement. At that time, according to XJT management, pass travel with CAL will be negotiated "in line with similar market practices" in the airline industry.

 

[BILL LUMBERG]

Commuting to work is personal use.....no violations there!!

Besides, at the rate these commuters are trying to spread the flying around, those people get the best privileges. I think Chitaco gets Usair, Delta and UAL passes.......correct me if I'm wrong!!

 

[JungleJetCA]

Well, the passes do go both ways. If ASA/Comair don't get to keep their status at DAL, then neither do the DAL guys keep theirs at ASA/Comair. And since there is a significant amount of flying being done at the regional level, it's going to suck for both parties to change their agreement. It's going to affect the commuters the most but if it goes to a vote, then it's going to be decided by non-commuters who probably don't care about the commuters.

 

[FDJ2]

but if it goes to a vote

Funny, I don't recall ever voting on pass priviledges in the past. Is that something new?

 

[tron4000]

It's not a flame at all. Everyone is so quick to pull a trigger around here. I have a relative that I use passes from to commute. Just wondering if my commute will get easier or not. Also wondering if this would be a precedent if they did keep them.

As stated we would probably go to S3C like Craptaco and Skywest. Meaning that it would be more impossible than even now to get on any flight, with the exception of maybe the sweet GTR nap inbound flt or THE RADDEST DESTINATION OF THEM ALL, LOVELY KINSTON NC. You would continue to be a companion at S3 level and knock off DL nonrevs while wearing your jetblue outfit and eating those blue chips.

 

[BigMotorToter]

chperplt: I don't buy them, they are free. If I and all the rest of the pilots who have to use passes to commute stoped, it sure would be tough on everyone else who is trying for that jumpseat.

Surplus1 or is it "Mr. Pass Police": Your probably also the hat police at your respective airline. Anyway, If I am breaking the rules then we better tell the other tens of thousands of airline personel that use passes to commute. With all the downsizing and elimination of hubs these days, it's the only way most of us can get to work. Why don't you go to DFW and monitor the gate and rat out all the DAL and ASA pilots and F/A's who are using their passes because of the forced commute they now have to do to get to ATL or CVG or SLC.

With an attitude like your's I think your better suited for a management position under Frank Lorenzo or Carl Ichan. I'm sure your fellow aviators really respect and admire you.


G.L.: It's exactly that " What am I supposed to do about it" attitude that has our piloting profession so fractured. We only care about issues when they affect us, not the other guy. Maybe if ALPA was a real national union, they would fight for all of their members all of the time instead of when it only benefits ALPA national. An example is when the TWA MEC gave a power point presentation in Herndon VA. in 2001 about what was then a little known aspect of bankruptcy code. That little known and missunderstood item is what is called an 1113. Something we all know too well about these days. If ALPA wasn't so concentrated on sleeping with the APA, and sacrificing one of the ALPA founding father airlines (TWA), and just listened to us, ALPA could have had a head start on changing the bankruptcy laws and not alow the 1113 to be used as the ulitmate hammer against labor. But we (TWA MEC) were told at that meeting, "hey, nice presentation, but it won't happen to us, plus we have bigger issue's like getting Delta plus a dollar for the other airlines."




Everyone else: This isn't a topic I just pulled out of thin air, on my commutes and talking with many other DAL pilots and F/A's, they have also brought up this concern. It turns out, many wern't all that happy that DCI got DOH for passes, and with the Delta hub network shrinking, and Comair opening up JFK as a base, the pass issue is becoming a topic of concern.

So again, I reiterate not just for me, but for the thousands of other pilots and F/A's who are now commuting not because they want to but because they have to, are there any airlines who give DOH pass benefits to there feeder airlines that are not wholly owned?

 

[chperplt]

I don't buy them, they are free. If I and all the rest of the pilots who have to use passes to commute stoped, it sure would be tough on everyone else who is trying for that jumpseat.

Sorry dude.. Not on Delta they aren't. If you're getting free passes, your buddy is doing something against the rules.

 

[FL000]

...or THE RADDEST DESTINATION OF THEM ALL, LOVELY KINSTON NC.

Kinston is home to some very hot ladies. Jaime Pressly is from there. Maybe you'll catch her at a bar...or is it THE bar?