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"With ALPA you can refuse struck work and you'll have an advocate to back you up."

if that is even worth 2%.
 
ohplease! said:
what we'll hear is: we've set 3 more days of meeting between alpa/asa. The dates will be late March or early April. Most likely someplace southern and coastal (spring golf anyone???).
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The mediator has got to realize by now that this will not be settled w/ more sessions. The last two days were meant to narrow the gaps as much as possible b4 the proffer. This deal will end just as every other airline negotiation, in the 11th hour of the super mediated sessions. DN and the gang will bark fair contract or strike and BL w/ SH will sing more of the competative tune.

Expect wages on the CR2 equal to SKW w/ some form of profit sharing
Current book 401K
PBS on property
 
I would have to believe PBS would help close the deal. I don't exactly care for it, but I would have to think it would put us in a better position to get the wages we are after. It makes too much fiscal sense for the company to just let it go.

Now for all the pilots to complain how they would not be able to work the system to get a whole month off when they go on vacation.
 
AuburnRedneck9 said:
Skywest never asked their pilots to fly struck work during the CA strike in 2000 what makes you think that this will be different?
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SKYW owns ASA and the negative financial impact would directly affect SKYW's bottom line, unlike the OH strike.
 
LAMESAUCE said:
"With ALPA you can refuse struck work and you'll have an advocate to back you up."

if that is even worth 2%.
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If it keeps you from losing your job for doing the right thing, it could be worth it. If you care about doing the right thing, that is.
 
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Just like aerodata, expect many growing pains w/ PBS and ALOT of moaning from the pilot corp. This would be a good time to get some advise from our SKW brothers about how to work the system.
 
Tarzan said:
I would have to believe PBS would help close the deal. I don't exactly care for it, but I would have to think it would put us in a better position to get the wages we are after. It makes too much fiscal sense for the company to just let it go.

Now for all the pilots to complain how they would not be able to work the system to get a whole month off when they go on vacation.
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As long as it eliminates integration and we get to choose the PBS system that would be used. My guess is it would be the same system as SKYW, and they seem happy with it. If it's CAL's, we're in trouble.
 
We will never have a contract, not this year, nor the next, nor the next and we won't strike either..... the sky is falling all the senior captains need to leave....
 
atlcrjdriver said:
Just like aerodata, expect many growing pains w/ PBS and ALOT of moaning from the pilot corp. This would be a good time to get some advise from our SKW brothers about how to work the system.
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There will be NO PBS in the new contract. None. It's a non-starter.

Why do you think the company agreed to a 3 year duration? So they can get PBS next time around!
 
ohplease! said:
what we'll hear is: we've set 3 more days of meeting between alpa/asa. The dates will be late March or early April. Most likely someplace southern and coastal (spring golf anyone???).

The first day they will each pass love notes.

The second day they'll both take TINY steps towards actually getting this thing done, then sit in private caucus.

The third day they'll leave early. When they get back, they'll BOTH blame the other for the lack of any REAL progress.

Then we wait 2 more months until they meet again.
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And yet everyone is still afraid to rock-the-boat?!?
 
FmrFreightDog said:
Anyone think HelloNewman is D'Angelo?? I realize D'Angelo was supposedly a Comair guy and HelloNewman is supposedly a SKW guy, but they sound like the same broken record.

Anyone over at SKW actually want to claim this guy???
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HELLLLLL NO!! No one here at SKW claims that idiot. Who knows who he really works for. Who knows if he is even a pilot.

Word is that he recently won a gold medal in a butt dart tournament.
 
sweptback said:
There will be NO PBS in the new contract. None. It's a non-starter.

Why do you think the company agreed to a 3 year duration? So they can get PBS next time around!
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The company has made is very clear that they want/need PBS as a cost savings measure. Why wouldn't the union save/use this during the super mediated talks to get what we really want ie. higher base salary and merger protection.
 
I love having the ability to turn 1 week vacation into 2 or 3 but I would give it up for the greater good.
 
atlcrjdriver said:
The company has made is very clear that they want/need PBS as a cost savings measure. Why wouldn't the union save/use this during the super mediated talks to get what we really want ie. higher base salary and merger protection.
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Because PBS would require a total rewrite of the Scheduling section. The mediator has already said no to that... his job is to get the contract done, not redo things that have already been agreed to.

The company had their chance with PBS and blew it. If they wanted it so bad, they should have never told the union several times during the negotiation process that they wanted hard lines.
 
Greater good? And do you actually trust ASA to give a darn about the system once it's doing what they programmed it to do- having it cover their lack of planning? PBS is a no-go for me. Sorry. Not this time around.

And why did they just all-of-a-sudden feel the need to get PBS? It is a recent development, a card pulled after section 13 was ALREADY TA'd.
That fact alone should cause everyone great suspicion.
 
You forget that the bulk of these four+ years of negotiations was under DL rule. JA wants ASA to have PBS as it is working well on the SKW side of the house. The company has said that they can emplement PBS w/o a rewrite but a side letter. I don't want PBS either, but if it can be used as a big bargaining chip for other more important issues then so be it.
 
In case anyone was wondering:

Q: Will ASA use the money saved by not paying nearly 1,400 employees to give the pilots and flight
attendants more pay in their contract negotiations?​
A: No. All pay associated with ground handling employees in Atlanta is considered a “pass-through” cost to
Delta. Therefore, ASA will not gain any funds by not employing the nearly 1,400 ground handling employees
at the Atlanta station.​
 
atlcrjdriver said:
The company has made is very clear that they want/need PBS as a cost savings measure. Why wouldn't the union save/use this during the super mediated talks to get what we really want ie. higher base salary and merger protection.
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I agree.
 
If PBS is what it takes to get this contract done, then do it! Trade it for some money and be done with it already!
 
Unfortunately, that is not close to being the only thing holding up this contract. Pay rates, retro, retirement and scope are the issues that cant seem to be overcome. Unfortunately, our leverage seems to be disappearing every day....and wait until Delta changes that 80% of ATL flying clause, which you bet JA and SKWY wants to change. That, along with Comairs concessions will kill us. Sorry, it's not looking good.
 
ASADriver said:
If PBS is what it takes to get this contract done, then do it! Trade it for some money and be done with it already!
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There are three issues open, and PBS is not one of them. If you want to know if giving on PBS is worth getting the contract done, go to the majors board and see what the CAL pilots think.
 
79%N1 said:
Unfortunately, that is not close to being the only thing holding up this contract. Pay rates, retro, retirement and scope are the issues that cant seem to be overcome. Unfortunately, our leverage seems to be disappearing every day....and wait until Delta changes that 80% of ATL flying clause, which you bet JA and SKWY wants to change. That, along with Comairs concessions will kill us. Sorry, it's not looking good.
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I hate to admit that it looks like the 80% flying clause is going to change. Why else would SKYW give up the gates in ATL and roll over on the travel benefits, two things they fought hard for. My guess is DAL will take-over our ramp ops and gates, give us S3s and who knows what else, in exchange for giving SKYW our ATL flying.

It's very strange that JA has been so quiet during all of this, including SLC and LAX, when he's usually the kind of guy to come out of the office and put everyone at ease. The only bright spot would be a eventual merger with SKYW, which is now possible without the conflict of interest in LAX.
 
I think much hinges on ASA's negotiations and the SkyWest organization drive. The choice being a possible integration with SkyWest, or continued dilution of ASA.
 
Why is the GO calling this place a viable entity? Also, what airline in their right mind will RFP flying to this company.
 

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