AAslag said:I don't get it. Do you mean ALPA National? Or are you refering to the Ozark/TWA merger that resulted in date of hire?
I mean ALPA National, who did nothing to fight the APA and basically left the TWA pilots out to dry.
Like AAflyer, I also believe that the TWA guys deserved better. Now, when you get the two or three guys on here that hurl personal attacks demanding why they didn't get DOH, or where their "checks" are (what checks?), we're just dealing with the 1 or 2% of freaks that exist at every airline. Overall, however, I would have liked to have seen protected seniority for TWA pilots at every base that TWA had, not just STL. In other words, a mini Supp CC in NY, BOS, and LAX whereby the TWA pilots would have held their bid statuses in each of those domiciles. This, I think, would have protected their career expectations quite a bit more while not really affecting ours (a lot of retirements.)
As far as why there was a staple, and where they drew that line, don't ask. I have no clue, and I wouldn't have wanted to be the one responsible for that. A 1:8 all the way down would have been reasonable, IMO.
The deal that was crafted was not the only one. There was an earlier proposal that benefitted a lot more TWA pilots, in that roughly 700 guys would get stapled, and the remaining 1600 or so would get the 1:8 integration. (Right now we have about 1200 stapled and 1000 or so integrated at 1:8, starting around AA seniority #2300.)
For some reason, the TWA MEC chairman refused to consider the first offer, wouldn't even negotiate at all, and basically walked out of the room. From that point on the precedent was set, and you had both sides just getting real ugly with each other.
The final deal benefitted a lot of guys on both sides, and screwed a lot of guys on both sides. 9/11 pretty much ensured it was the TWA pilots who took the brunt of the screwing. Had that not happened, I think you would have seen a lot less animosity.
In any case, any kind of merger will create the kind of resentment we see here. Guys like AAflyer and myself can see both sides, whereas the majority of AA pilots will tell you that "they got what they deserved" and most TWA pilots will tell you "we got screwed." I have many friends at both airlines, and it just plain sucks to see my buds on the street.
The AWA/US deal will hopefully involve a lot more respect and professionalism. But you can already start seeing the animosity pick up just on this board. Unfortunately, that's what mergers do.
Regards,
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