I can't flight instruct

[pgcfii2002]

It does take some practice. Your first student will probably not get as much from you as your later ones. But remember, to a
One of my friends BOUGHT a 172 and hung flyers around lots of airports wanting to split time in it for $40.00/hour. He was swamped with people wanting to fly with him. Since he was an instructor, he logged PIC and the "other" guy logged PIC sole manipulator received. Just like at ATP.


Is that legal????

 

[Turkey Shoot]

Thanks KINGAIRYAHOO, it seems like you're the only one that knows what I'm talking about. Thanks everyone else too. I didn't know it was common for new instructors to feel "inadequate". After reading all your responses, I think it would be a good idea to try it out and see if I get better at it. What the heck, if I'm not good at it, then I can look into other options. If I get better at it, all the better. But what about when I'm trying it out? While I am finding out I'm not good at teaching, am I also messing up another student? "Sorry you didn't pass your checkrides, at least now I know I'm not a good instuctor. Just buy more time and do it all over again."

I would have to believe that pretty much sums it up for all of us. The first 100 hours of dual given are as much a learning experience for you as your student.

As far as being a good instructor, remember back to those instructors you didn't get along with, don't be like them. Make sure you know your stuff, don't be afraid to drag out the FAR/AIM in front of your students. It makes you human and not above them in their eyes.

Not many us wanted to instruct, but I gave quite a few hours of dual and signed off a bunch for check rides. Had a 93% pass rate and and more than a few students request me. I hated instructing but I put 110% into it. As far as I am concerned, it resulted in me learning much of myself and of others. One of the greatest things I learned was, everybody makes the same mistakes over and over. As much as they push CRM in airlines now, you know dang good and well, if those guys did it and got killed, I am just as likely to if I don't take this stuff to heart. very good life lesson that applies everywhere to include marriage. *cough*

Good luck on the instruction, it can be very rewarding overall to yourself in knowledge of aviation and more importantly, people.

 

[ERJFO]

Ok, this is all great advice. I had an instructor that didn't give a s**t about how much I knew or didn't know, all he cared about was his hours. He hated instructing but did it because there was no other way to build hours. I felt very let down. I just don't want to do that to someone else. If I did instruct I would bust my a$$, but I don't want my lack of teaching skills (not lack of knowlege) to ruin a student. I know my stuff, VERY WELL. I am very confident as a pilot, just not confident as a teacher.

Thats how I was... I was and am a good pilot but I hated instructing and just did it to build time. Costed my students tons of extra time and money. I figured out the worse they did the more we flew. Ditch your morals.

(Kidding)

Everyone feels like you do at first. The Forest Service pilots that spot fires and do ecological observations normally have 1000+ hours... More than most RJ FO's atleast. Banner towing is a brainless job and recruiters know it. Unless you can get hooked up with a charter gig or cloud seading operation there really isn't a good job out there for you with 250ish hours besides instructing.

 

[dcramer16]

Thats how I was... I was and am a good pilot but I hated instructing and just did it to build time. Costed my students tons of extra time and money. I figured out the worse they did the more we flew. Ditch your morals.

Thats terrible. No seriously, thats really bad. You sound like my last instuctor.

 

[dcramer16]

Nevermind. Just read the rest of your post and saw you were kidding.

 

[indianboy7]

Thanks KINGAIRYAHOO, it seems like you're the only one that knows what I'm talking about. Thanks everyone else too. I didn't know it was common for new instructors to feel "inadequate". After reading all your responses, I think it would be a good idea to try it out and see if I get better at it. What the heck, if I'm not good at it, then I can look into other options. If I get better at it, all the better. But what about when I'm trying it out? While I am finding out I'm not good at teaching, am I also messing up another student? "Sorry you didn't pass your checkrides, at least now I know I'm not a good instuctor. Just buy more time and do it all over again."

dcramer...it sounds like you're dead set on failing as an instructor...so I have changed my opinion. Go fly traffic watch, tow banners, or find a gig flying circles around the grand canyon. An instructor is only as good as he wants to be and it doesn't sound like you want to be a good instructor. Good luck with your endeavors......imp:

 

[Cardinal]

If you've never taught, then you don't know..... I know a few people with the same mindset that you have. They got their instructor's licenses and ended up being some of the best dang instructors i've ever seen.

Oh, and what sleddriver said about captains being instructors is very very true. Instructing teaches patience and observance. I have flown with a couple of captains that never instructed. They possessed neither of these traits. It really sucked, because instead of treating me like a professional pilot who knows what I'm doing, these captains spent all their time ordering me around because they weren't familiar with my flying techniques. They weren't comfortable enough in their own skin to relinquish a little bit of control and see what happens.

A big +1

I was a very reluctant CFI, FO that saw the good bad and ugly, airline captain, and line check airman. I don't like to talk much, so I extrapolated that that made me a bad instructor. Groaned most mornings as I rolled out of bed to go do 5 more intro flights and explain VORs. But I gave it my all, made some (read: bunches of) mistakes but me and my students learned a heck of alot. Had more than a few students comment on the quality/enjoyment of instruction. Every time I heard that I was blown away, cause I felt like I was struggling big time, and not meeting my ideal of the perfect instructor. Apply and devote yourself to it, and you'll be amazed with the results. Incidentally, a few years down the road I've discovered that nearly my whole life revolves around teaching, whether flying the line, doing IOE, helping FOs prepare for upgrade, working with kids at church, running a study group, teaching the girlfriend to drive a clutch, you name it. It'll make you a better person, as well as a better pilot.

 

[kingairyahoo]

i can agree with this...

Instructing teaches patience and observance.

...but not this...

I have flown with a couple of captains that never instructed. They possessed neither of these traits. It really sucked, because instead of treating me like a professional pilot who knows what I'm doing, these captains spent all their time ordering me around because they weren't familiar with my flying techniques. They weren't comfortable enough in their own skin to relinquish a little bit of control and see what happens.

...all of those traits can be attributed to a big ego'd ex-CFI just as easily

 

[ceo_of_the_sofa]

I don't know. For me it was more of a drive to be in the right seat, because my first instructor (a fat slob in his mid-30s) just didn't give a sheet. And at the same time he was getting paid for flying. Imagine that!

If the Feds think you can teach, you can teach. Two, three weeks later it will come to you. That, or you'll never fly again.

Try it, you've got this far.

 

[GreatView]

Teaching students will teach you so much about flying and give you great confidence in your flying skills (because you will have to take over the controls on a few occasions). This will be the same when you become a captain of a larger a/c with new hire f/o's. Many need help when the first start......

Don't say that you "won't" or "can't" do something without first trying. You are truly limiting your career potential right from the start and you don't even have 300 hours. Many of us didn't want to begin where we did, but we did because we HAD to. When I began flying there were NO flying jobs except flight instructing (back in 91') unless you had an immense number of hours. Now, all you need are 500+ Total and you can get on with a regional. Many of us would have given our newborns for that opportunity back then (just kidding...but not really).

Really....I think you are short-changing yourself and setting your "bar" really low for the future if you are unwilling flight instruct now this early in the game. Just think, you'll gain valuable experience instructing and get-paid to build your hours. As a matter of fact, you'll get the best quality instructing hours right there at ATP since you will be flying outside of the traffic pattern. Take advantage of their program and get your regional minimums in 1 year or less and you won't regret it.....

Best of luck to you bro....

 

[stearnst]

NOBODY EVER WANTS TO FLIGHT INSTRUCT...

I'll go out here on a limb and say that I honestly enjoy instructing. I never did, and still don't picture myself as a stellar CFI, but as has been mentioned by others already, after the first 100-ish hours of dual given, things started to fall into place and it began to feel like any other job I'd ever had...except I was being paid to fly!!! The teaching really does get better the more you do it, and you really start learning about flying when you have to teach someone else how to do it. Whatever route you end up choosing, good luck, but I'd recommend going the CFI route to anyone that's asking.

 

[Nindiri]

I always enjoyed instructing but I guess it's not for everyone.

If you are that determined not to do the CFI thing, then fork over the money and buy your multiengine time somewhere like ATP or Gulfstream. You'll miss out on a lot of good stuff by not instructing, but on the other hand you'll probably get to the right seat of an airliner a lot sooner. Whatever works for you.

 

[COOPERVANE]

It does take some practice. Your first student will probably not get as much from you as your later ones. But remember, to a
One of my friends BOUGHT a 172 and hung flyers around lots of airports wanting to split time in it for $40.00/hour. He was swamped with people wanting to fly with him. Since he was an instructor, he logged PIC and the "other" guy logged PIC sole manipulator received. Just like at ATP.


Is that legal????

Is it LEGAL for a flight instructor to log PIC? I hope so, I have 1500 given. Did my private/Commercial students log PIC while I was instructing them? I hope so.

What did you log with your intructor? SIC?

 

[Thurman Merman]

TRAFFIC WATCH, the most fun I had flying airplanes 1000 feet agl at the highest. Dodging helicopters, flying 5 days a week for about 30 hours.

 

[Mentor]

You need to instruct. You got the license...your already there...the school knows you and it will help you develope as a pilot.

 

[ArcticFlier]

If you want to learn something.............teach it. I did. For three years, and I wouldn't trade it for the world. It was the best learning experience, and I mean that.

Also, I thought I was done instructing when I got hired to fly for a regional. I was............until I upgraded. When I made captain, I was instructing all over again. That's the way it is, and having been a CFI (with all the bells and whistles) helped a hell of a lot.


Do it.


AF


BTW..........some of my best flying stories are from my CFI days...........

 

[dcramer16]

I have had a lot of great advice today, thanks everyone. As I said in one of my earlier posts, I had no idea that what I am feeling, every new flight instructor goes through. I also said in one of my posts that I would love to flight instruct as long as some student wasn't getting screwed in the process...lol Seems like the general thought is everyone should at least try it, and you never know, I might surprise myself. Thanks for the advice today, I'll put in my resume.

 

[pgcfii2002]

The few dual I have given has been a blast...and hope to return at some point next year.

 

[007]

Just the fact that he is doubting and evalutating himself, tells me he is gonna be a good instructor.

Forget about the Forest Service dude, you need ATP mins to do those jobs even on a contract basis. I know I used to do it.

Getting on with the Goverment is even harder, I have been trying with the USFS for years and I have 4000hrs 2900 multi and 2200 PIC and contract experience and I can't get in.

TEACH.....you will be fine...

 

[sflax]

One thing you need to do is stopping being a little girl. You think the first time I fly a jet I was like that was easy or my first CATII or my first emergency. Or the first time a captian screwed up. It is all about experience, and screwing up a few students, you will find that most students are screwed up before you get them, so you probably can not do much more damage.