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Who are the people that set up your procedures and programs, unions? NOT!

I was hoping you would do it....lol

like i said before, you think i would be paid what im being paid right now without the union?.....you never did answer that because we both know the answer already.

just keep throwing your turd posts out here....we really love the laugh.
 
This was pretty simple, one guy was shrinking the company, new guy shows up and makes a move to appease the troops while he deals with some serious other issues.
 
I was hoping you would do it....lol

like i said before, you think i would be paid what im being paid right now without the union?.....you never did answer that because we both know the answer already.

just keep throwing your turd posts out here....we really love the laugh.

Legacy pilots sucked the carriers dry right before they put all of them into bankruptcy and now consolidation. There are lots of pilots now that would have chosen smaller paychecks and stability long before the big paychecks they used to have.

I've always said, when times are good, unions are wonderful, but the true measure of a union is when times are bad.

When the ecomomy slips and the company needs some of that money back, we'll see how that nice paycheck holds up. The bigger the paycheck is during the good times, means the deeper the cuts are during bad times because the company can't afford a "good times" CBA during bad times. Let's see how the job stability and seat protection holds up.

Fracs aren't immune, it's only a matter of time before they cycle around.
 
Legacy pilots sucked the carriers dry right before they put all of them into bankruptcy and now consolidation. There are lots of pilots now that would have chosen smaller paychecks and stability long before the big paychecks they used to have.

I've always said, when times are good, unions are wonderful, but the true measure of a union is when times are bad.

When the ecomomy slips and the company needs some of that money back, we'll see how that nice paycheck holds up. The bigger the paycheck is during the good times, means the deeper the cuts are during bad times because the company can't afford a "good times" CBA during bad times. Let's see how the job stability and seat protection holds up.

Fracs aren't immune, it's only a matter of time before they cycle around.

Laughable...
It has to be the pilots and the union.. It couldn't be the overpaid mgt team that wins even if the company fails. It couldn't be the fact many legacy carriers ate the fat when the going was good instead of investing in more fuel efficient planes. It couldn't be that mgt still can not effectivly operate in the deregulation and compete against the LCC's and win.. Nawwwww not that it has to be the pilots.. ha ha--you always look like such an idiot when you write..
 
This statement proves that you do not have a clue. There is a key omission, one that has been repeatedly made by you and that was repeatedly made by our previous neo-management: Flight Options is in the CUSTOMER SERVICE business and NOT the seat revenue business. Far beyond flying the airplane, in the fractional business the pilots are key to the customer service experience.

I know you've heard this before, but let me provide you a short refresher course. You cannot draw exacting parallels between pilots who fly for the majors and those who fly fractional. Pilots in the fractional market have much broader responsibility than our pilot bretheren in the majors, which you condescendingly describe as only "to fly the airplane on the flight". We are not dispatched, as you would define it in Part 121. The sheer number of airports that we serve day in and day out exceed those serviced by the majors by a factor of about 100 world-wide. This one fact demonstrates a huge divide between the responsibilities of the two pilot groups. In fractional operations, the pilot-in-command has the ULTIMATE responsibility for flight planning, airport and weather evaluation, determining maintenance status and that the aircraft performance is satisfactory for the airports of intended operation (can you say Aspen?). A similar statement reminding us of this responsibility is made on every one of our assigned trip sheets.

In addition to our primary responsibility of flying the airplane safely and efficiently, we are the front line sales force - or face - of the company. But it doesn't stop there. In the hierarchy of a fractional pilots responsibilities, and a very close second only to assuring the safety of flight, is the HUGE responsibility of assuring our owners never see the gross inefficiency and insanity that happens behind the scenes in the OCC prepararing for their flight. I and my crew are the ultimate filter, making sure that all the catering, ground trans and other unique requests are fulfilled. Don't get me wrong, there are some capable people at CGF. Some even still really care about the owners. But the "i" dotting and "t" crossing on items that typically wouldn't fall into your definition of "pilot" takes up a substantial amount of our time. And in the end, if the owners trip meets or (hopefully) exceeds their expectations, then we've done our job - regardless of whomever else's job I or my crew had to do to assure this level of service.

You, like our recently departed neo-management continue to be lost in your anti-union rhetoric and airline mentality. Neo-management lost sight of what makes a company like ours run, forsaking all semblence of customer service. They failed our customers, investors, pilots and all "team members". The pilots at Flight Options had recourse to gain recognition for our unique and far reaching responsibilites. We sought representation. Perhaps other employee groups also had this recourse and have chosen otherwise. But make no mistake: neo-management opened this door and now here we are. You can continue to attempt to draw parallels to your life experience with unions all you want. I, and (as evidenced by the recent cooperative attitude) current management believe that a comprehensive CBA will be a positive for the future of Flight Options.

I suspect the day Flight Options pilots ratify the CBA, B19, Skumza, et al will never be heard from on FI again :rolleyes:

Help me here.. how does more pay and defined rest rules change the long list you have here?

How does increasing the cost of labor to the pilot group help any of this?

A CBA defines only pay, benefits and work rules.

It doesn't fix any of the peceived issues you note above.
 


Who are the people that set up your procedures and programs, unions? NOT!

Who does the hiring, the training and purchases the equipment, computers and software to run the company, unions? NOT!

The entire infrastructure of any company, airline or otherwise is designed and maintained by non-union workers.

You and those around you depend on non-union workers for your mere existance as a pilot. It's a non-union worker that writes your paycheck and a non-union worker that signs your paycheck.

Your thinking that it takes a union pilot to accomplish what non-union workers have prepared is laughable at best, yet when a union wants a raise they are willing to crap all over those non-union workers to get what they want.

On most accidents, the chain of events starts elsewhere and rarely with a pilot. Mechanics and support personnel have just as much responsibility than a pilot does, if not more. Ever hear of SMS?Safety starts with senior managment, not with the pilot.

The rest of the company has the responsiblity to ensure the safety for the entire company and passengers to an extent that is far greater than that of a pilot.

Unions don't help safety, they hinder safety.


The Unions sole responsibility is to negotiate a contract for a specific group and protect the intersets and rights of such group.
The people you claim to do the above jobs were paid to do such. Whats your point?
As far as them having more responsibility? Again-you like to feel you are important..Keep pushing that paperwork...When you make a mistake the feds just say "No" do it over.. Pilots ofetn do not get that second ,third or fourth chance. Responsibility from the top down...This board is filled with stories of how irresponsible the top down have been in everything that they have done. The bottom line is the pilot! The passenger could care less how many manuals you have written so pilots could follow them. Or the mechanic that works on them. The passenger-Mr Moneybags-cares about the pilot-being rested qualified and knowledgeable to know when not to fly tired, hungry, pissed off, or just plain old mechanical junk--CND....
 
Laughable...
It has to be the pilots and the union.. It couldn't be the overpaid mgt team that wins even if the company fails. It couldn't be the fact many legacy carriers ate the fat when the going was good instead of investing in more fuel efficient planes. It couldn't be that mgt still can not effectivly operate in the deregulation and compete against the LCC's and win.. Nawwwww not that it has to be the pilots.. ha ha--you always look like such an idiot when you write..

LCCs have completely different missions than legacy carriers, they are apples and oranges. If LCCs attempted to accomplish what legacy carriers do, they are actually a lot less effiecient and could never pull it off and be profitable like legacy carriers are on international routes.

Even the most expensive CEO contract is pennies compared to a CBA and is a drop in the bucket compared to revenue. Not even a valid argument.
 

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