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I have a friend who is trying to get into Polar and they told him that now there are 30 Polar guys sticking around since they can due to the age 65 ruling. No word on Atlas my guess is that it would be simular to Polar.
 
Atlas has recently done a union coordinated preferential hiring of the recently furloughed guys from Kitty Hawk. I think they hired a class of 12 for a Jan 7 class. Age 65 has allowed a few not to retire and a few F/E's to come back as pilots. So it has stagnated hiring some.

Polar also has an arbitration going on on how they were downsized and that will affect hiring pending it's outcome. Recent hiring at Polar was over reserve requirements for the recent DHL deal.
 
808flyer said:
I have a friend who is trying to get into Polar and they told him that now there are 30 Polar guys sticking around since they can due to the age 65 ruling. No word on Atlas my guess is that it would be simular to Polar.
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Who is this mysterious "they". There hasn't been a survey by the Company to determine anyones future plans. I don't think any Company is going to predict how long any one is going to stay around. You can do one scenario by assuming everyone eligible to stay till 65 does so and manages to not lose their medical. It's any ones best guess, if you want to work somewhere apply and try to get the job. Predicting when you will get off reserve, hold a certain base, upgrade etc was impossible for the past five years, it will be beyond impossible now.
 
cfire said:
Atlas has recently done a union coordinated preferential hiring of the recently furloughed guys from Kitty Hawk. I think they hired a class of 12 for a Jan 7 class. Age 65 has allowed a few not to retire and a few F/E's to come back as pilots. So it has stagnated hiring some.

Polar also has an arbitration going on on how they were downsized and that will affect hiring pending it's outcome. Recent hiring at Polar was over reserve requirements for the recent DHL deal.
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Good for those guys. That's a nice X-Mas present. Will they be put on the 747 200s or 400s?
 
At Atlas, they originally planned to hire 100 this year, but 65 has changed all that. Now, they may hire 60.
 
cfire said:
Both A/C on the Atlas side
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I'm a little out of the loop so I apologize. Does that mean the newhires will start out of STN (commute to Standsted)? Or have things changed where newhires can now bid bases in the US?

How many Kitty Hawk pilots were picked up?

Happy holidays.
 
Commute to STN: As I understand it, Atlas pays for you ticket from your gateway city out to STN and then pays for your hotel on reserve or until your first assignment. So, it is comuting, but without the jumpseating or sleeping in a crashpad bit.
 
The company will provide an airline ticket. Most likely economy unless the flights are full then a business class seat to your departure city or a city that makes sense for you to sit reserve for a couple of days. For example you may have some reserve days prior to a trip starting. It would make sense to sit reserve at the scheduled departure city rather than going to another and commuting again. AMS and FRA are common cities to sit reserve due to the proximity of DUS, HHN and the wide reach of KLM and Lufthansa.
Yes the company covers hotel and ground transport as well.
 
Does anyone have the quals for the FO/FE positions at Atlas or Polar? Their company sites don't list anything.

Thanks!
 
Im 40 doing Int'l longhaul cargo.....I dont see my ass doing it for another 25 years!
 
cfire said:
Atlas has recently done a union coordinated preferential hiring

Atlas just interviewed and hired a large chunk of Kitty Hawk Furloughed guys under an Atlas union MEC coordinated preferential hiring agreement with management
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Why do you feel such a need to spout off about how great union guys the Atlas pilots are?
 
I apoligize for my lack knowledge. How many day on and off are Atlas schedule? How is 1st year pay? Is there an override above 62 hours? If you live in the U.S., your homebased, but all newhire are based out of STN? They will fly you out your first day on but once you are in STN are you responsible for your lodging? Is this correct or am I way off? Do they type you? How is training? Thanks
 
PFTEXPJET said:
I apoligize for my lack knowledge. How many day on and off are Atlas schedule? How is 1st year pay? Is there an override above 62 hours? If you live in the U.S., your homebased, but all newhire are based out of STN? They will fly you out your first day on but once you are in STN are you responsible for your lodging? Is this correct or am I way off? Do they type you? How is training? Thanks
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Also, if you are based in STN, are you considered a scab or is that just the european guys? What are the mins?
 
Atccfi said:
Also, if you are based in STN, are you considered a scab or is that just the European guys? What are the mins?
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First off, the STN guys, European or otherwise are not SCABs, so no, you would not be. There has to be a strike for there to be scabs, and Atlas has only had one chance to strike, and didn't in the last minutes for a multitude of reasons.

The STN base was originally a union busting tactic. It has serviced its purpose, has been neutralized and is only being filled with ALPA represented pilots.

BTW, a new base bid is out, and there will be some new hires going to LAX on the -400.
 
Classicdriver said:
BTW, a new base bid is out, and there will be some new hires going to LAX on the -400.
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Won't everyone over in STN try to bid into LAX? I don't see how newhires could get LAX with people wanting to come back. Any idea if STN will ever go away... I think that would be the best for everyone.
 
ERJFO said:
Won't everyone over in STN try to bid into LAX? I don't see how newhires could get LAX with people wanting to come back. Any idea if STN will ever go away... I think that would be the best for everyone.
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Yep, it is true. New hires in ground school hold LAX. They will probably be in LAX this time next year though after all the new hires behind them are trained.
 
ERJFO said:
Won't everyone over in STN try to bid into LAX? I don't see how newhires could get LAX with people wanting to come back. Any idea if STN will ever go away... I think that would be the best for everyone.
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Simple math. We are hiring 55 to 60 pilots. STN only has 49. Some of the STN guys are there because they want to be and/or didn't bid LAX.

Yes, STN going away would be a good thing, but look at FedEx, with their new bases, CDG, HKG. It's a sign of the times.
 
Classicdriver said:
Yes, STN going away would be a good thing, but look at FedEx, with their new bases, CDG, HKG. It's a sign of the times.
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True, but isn't that because they are building sort hubs there? Their flying will ACTUALLY take place in and out of those places.

From what I understand, the not much Atlas's flying at all goes through STN. Usually a commercial to AMS, FRA, MXP, LGG, etc. Is that not true?
 
Classicdriver said:
First off, the STN guys, European or otherwise are not SCABs, so no, you would not be. There has to be a strike for there to be scabs, and Atlas has only had one chance to strike, and didn't in the last minutes for a multitude of reasons.

The STN base was originally a union busting tactic. It has serviced its purpose, has been neutralized and is only being filled with ALPA represented pilots.

BTW, a new base bid is out, and there will be some new hires going to LAX on the -400.
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Sorry for the poor choice of a word... Just finished reading another thread where they were mentioned as such... anyways, I know better.

What kind of trips do you guys do? How many days in a row are you out? How is QOL? Could you live somewhere else in Europe and be based there? Would you wanting to be based in Europe be attractive to whomever does the hiring? Thanks.
 
Atccfi said:
What kind of trips do you guys do? How many days in a row are you out? How is QOL? Could you live somewhere else in Europe and be based there? Would you wanting to be based in Europe be attractive to whomever does the hiring? Thanks.
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If you decide to live in Europe, QOL is much better than commuters, obviously. You can live anywhere in Europe, and if the ticket to get where they need you is less than a ticket from STN, they will buy the ticket. No flights begin in STN, so you would have to work with travel to begin your trip. Your standby would be at home, since you'd already be in Europe. And no, I don't think it makes a difference in being hired.

I have not been based in STN, so if anyone has better info, please jump in.
 
Hi!

The basing in STN is complicated.

Technically, US citizens can NOT live in England, like some of the Atlas guys are doing, but Atlas and the gov't have worked something out. There is a bunch of info on that on this site-other threads.

The key is you don't have to live there anymore-you just get flown their by Atlas.

cliff
YIP
 

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