How to tell if you are flying with someone that has passed 60

[NuGuy]

The small percentage of weak senior pilots does not rate the copilot's juvenile way of expressing their anger at how congress changed the rules. Grow up.

27. Yells from his RON hotel balcony at the kids below to "get off his lawn".

28. Gets angry because he doesn't understand humor beyond "The Three Stooges"

29. Flight deck smells like a Ben-Gay factory.

30. Always asks the FO to "pull his finger"

31. When you pull into RSW and ask the station for 72 wheelchairs, you catch yourself and say "oops, make that 73"

32. Gets mad when all the young "wipper snappers" put cards in the spokes of his wheelchair.

Nu

 

[N1VIBS]

27. Yells from his RON hotel balcony at the kids below to "get off his lawn".

28. Gets angry because he doesn't understand humor beyond "The Three Stooges"

29. Flight deck smells like a Ben-Gay factory.

30. Always asks the FO to "pull his finger"

31. When you pull into RSW and ask the station for 72 wheelchairs, you catch yourself and say "oops, make that 73"

32. Gets mad when all the young "wipper snappers" put cards in the spokes of his wheelchair.

Nu

33. Doesn't need a calculator to add or subtract!!!!!

 

[airplane wizard]

34. Causes delays nationwide because he is flying 100kts slower than any one else.

35. Talks about when he was young and was "damm lucky" to have a job that paid him $.25/day

 

[landlover]

27. Yells from his RON hotel balcony at the kids below to "get off his lawn".

one of the funniest things i've ever read on flightinfo

 

[Spooky 2]

Man I would love to fly with you and hear all these great stories about how great and awesome you are. NOT!!!

You must be one annoying individual to fly with. I guess those of us under 40 have never had an engine fire, flight control failure, been shot at in combat or had any other emergency. You benefited your whole career from the age 60 and now - that it threatens you, you're happy to see it go. When in fact the majority of pilots are against the age 60 rule. Last I checked this was a democracy but I guess not with this issue once again special interests win out.

Max even with 900+ hours your still a little boy. I bet your real short also. Get over it and by the way it sounds as if you might needs additional experience anyway. The additional five years will do you good!

 

[Spooky 2]

I wonder how it sounded back in 1959 or so when they put a cap on the age at 60? For some reason I doubt that all the junior guys were clapping, hoot'n and holler'n in the hallways but maybe I'm wrong.

 

[Spooky 2]

I don't see anything that indicates spooky is saying how "wonderful he is". He just gave a tip of the hat to those ahead of him. He also made a very good point, that after you have gone through this industry long enough, you'll realize this isn't as big a deal as you think. If this age 65 thing is the worst "unexpected" thing to happen to you in your career you are one of the lucky ones.

Thanks Dan. Some guys only want to read into this what fits their agenda at that time. I don't think I ever implied that was any of their equals and to the contrary I was only pointing to those who have past before us and have carried the water, which I'm not so sure this group has, other than being victims of the crooked airline managements and perhaps 9/11.

 

[capt. megadeth]

Move up quicker?

LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!! Funny $hit right there!

 

[capt. megadeth]

Every time he explains how to improve your flying you realize he is 10x more knowledgeable than you.

Oh man....we got Mr. High and Almighty rearing his ugly head again.

 

[capt. megadeth]

One more time, don't worry about this little blip on your careers and watch out for the crooks running your companies. They are the real dangers lurking ahead

Merry Christmas

Very good point!

 

[capt. megadeth]

The small percentage of weak senior pilots does not rate the copilot's juvenile way of expressing their anger at how congress changed the rules. Grow up.

I wonder how the pro 65 crowd would be acting like if they lost the fight. Probably like the USAir crybabies. LOL! I've already heard stories of around age 60 pilots gloating in our faces so get off the high horse please.....it goes both ways. Thank you.

 

[capt. megadeth]

ALPA endorsed it.

ALPA is run by older pilots and hmmmmm....let's see here......more dues money at a higher pay scale for 5 more years.....hmmmmm, wonder why they endorsed it.....hmmmmmmmm

 

[capt. megadeth]

LOL N1 I was going to make the same response! The arguement was made by the lawmakers that the older pilots experience was needed. Judging from the incredably childess reponse of some of the younger guys on here, I would say that may be the case. There are some guys on here that are stressing over having their upgrade slowed but have demonstrated that don't have the maturity to be a Captain yet.

Don't make me pee my pants with laughter....I've seen some immature 59 year olds at UPS.

 

[capt. megadeth]

That's real nice for YOU. But I know plenty of folks in this industry that got totally screwed out of their retirement through no fault of their own. That's who this helps and all it will cost is a couple years slower upgrade (not everyone will fly to 65, me included) but give's everyone the chance to increase their earning power later in life if they need to. As for you arrogant little wimps that say "they should have planned better" you are simply proving how clueless you are. I've got news for you, life is full of unexpected turns and twist's, some people get hit pretty hard in life and need to work longer, it's not their fault.

How about a push to change the laws so that greedy corporate execs can't FUK people OUT of their retirement?????? How about the outrage and push to get retirements that were STOLEN back???? I don't hear the battle cry for that. Noooooo, we just ask to WORK longer?????? That's FUBAR if you ask me.

 

[Illini Flyboy]

C'mon folks, there are plenty of threads here to discuss this seriously, plenty of threads for us whipper-snappers to be put in our place, lets get this thread back to the age old past time of pilots, poking fun of ourselves. In that spirit...

Every flight comes with a "Back in my day" speech including having to do walk arounds barefoot, in the snow, going uphill both ways...

 

[NuGuy]

C'mon folks, there are plenty of threads here to discuss this seriously, plenty of threads for us whipper-snappers to be put in our place, lets get this thread back to the age old past time of pilots, poking fun of ourselves. In that spirit...

Every flight comes with a "Back in my day" speech including having to do walk arounds barefoot, in the snow, going uphill both ways...

Better be nice, or they'll put laxative in your coffee!

Yuck, I always hated the smell of mothballs...

Nu

 

[airksk]

God, I love the "experience" excuse. I'm sorry, did you think there's no one at my airline under age 60 with experience? Thank god the over 60 crowd will be around to make sure that guys who've already spent a decade as captains flying regional jets get the "experience" that only they can provide. Many of the guys upgrading at my airline have already been fo's under these "experienced" captains for 10+ years, I'm sure they'll be very happy to get those finishing touches for the next 5.

 

[ACT700]

The first post, and a couple after that, are funnier than hell.
But, as anything on FI, some of you loosers had to hijack the thread and turn it into a pissing contest.
Go back to the regional forum and debate whose worse: Mesa or Comair!

Deal with it-it's (finally) here-age 65. Oh, and I expect all of you nay-sayers to retire promptly at age 60 when your time comes, to make room for the youngsters to upgrade quicker, right?

I could care less if I fly with a 60 year old, or a 65 year old-as long as they are competent.

Whaaa, whaaaa....

 

[PBRstreetgang]

Hey,
He will be the one who drives to the airport in the new Porsche.(5 extra years to pay off) Nice airport car, hows your Yugo?

He will also be the guy with every holiday off due to his spot on the seniority list.

He will also have that weekend house in the Keys paid off quicker.

He will do this for an extra five years thanks to all of you "young whippersnappers" who were too busy to go to an ALPA meeting of whatch what your lawmakers were doing. Get real pissed off and hold your breath. The geezer in the Porsche with the 30 something F/A, thanks you with his every thrust(Viagra) and says "Check that tail extra good, the rivets get loose in freezing rain"
BAAAAHAAAA
PBR

 

[paid4training]

I always thought the age 60 was a good thing for the pilots...it gave them more time to spend their pensions but that has now been kcufed up for everyone. So I say givem 5 extra years, I'll watch envious as they request a free senior coffee at mcd's and order off the senior menu!

 

[Dumb Pilot]

I'll watch envious as they request a free senior coffee at mcd's and order off the senior menu!

Psss. A little fact that feels strange to you because you can't afford it but, at the top of the food chain you can afford to eat in places other than mcd's

 

[Patriot328]

Deal with it-it's (finally) here-age 65. Oh, and I expect all of you nay-sayers to retire promptly at age 60 when your time comes, to make room for the youngsters to upgrade quicker, right?

I won't be now. I'll have to work 3-4 years past age 60 in order to make up for lost wages due to a 5 year delay in upgrade.

I'm thrilled to be working an extra 3-4 years for free...!

 

[capt. megadeth]

Deal with it-it's (finally) here-age 65. Oh, and I expect all of you nay-sayers to retire promptly at age 60 when your time comes, to make room for the youngsters to upgrade quicker, right?

We won't be able to. We'll be forced to fly till 65 since by then there will be a 50% hit on your pension (if there still is one) to retire 5 years early. Don't worry, companies will want cut back payscales too reasoning that you have 5 more years to work. Don't worry, we probably won't retire at 60....we'll have no choice but to work till 65. Management will take this one and fuk us with it somehow. Meanwhile, the ones that benefited will be long dead and gone.

 

[LJDRVR]

I guess my group relates to those that we followed and frankly enjoyed flying with, and yes there were more than a few characters in the group. Like the guys who flew the B17s, B24s and even a few B29 guys in the group. Then there was our CP/VP Flt Ops who had spent 3 years as a German POW after being shot down in his P51 along with another "character" who had played a kid in the Our Gang movies before becoming a P47 pilot and also having shot down over Germany. Same guy who got the nose of a B707 off the ground before realizing that there was a flight control jammed and managed to get the thing back on the runway and stopped without killing anyone or wrecking the airplane. I won't even bore you with the Vietnam drivel as these pilots brought a whle new dimension to our operation and you think your careers are so damaged because of this age 65 debacle that has been heaped upon you. Hell there guys in that spent 10+ years on the panel before even getting a window seat. So suck it up, get involved in your association, or get a new one (probably a bad idea!) but stop whining and posting all the insults as it makes you look like complete morons. many before you have done more, been more, and continue to carry the water without all the whining. One more time, don't worry about this little blip on your careers and watch out for the crooks running your companies. They are the real dangers lurking ahead

Merry Christmas

Excellent post Spooky!

Although I'm 100% against the rule, (for selfish reasons) I'm also a student of aviation history. I remember how Len Morgan at Braniff was on property fourteen years before seeing the left seat of their junior airplane.

One point though, a lot of the folks who want to stay are angry, bitter guys who didn't keep the original wife and house, not even the second pair, and aren't much in the airmanship department.

I would have much preferred to see ALPA expend it's political capital on legislation that held airline's feet to the fire concerning the fulfillment of their obligations and promises to their employees. Delta and United are making money again. Why are they not required to make their employees whole?

 

[Spooky 2]

Excellent post Spooky!

Although I'm 100% against the rule, (for selfish reasons) I'm also a student of aviation history. I remember how Len Morgan at Braniff was on property fourteen years before seeing the left seat of their junior airplane.

One point though, a lot of the folks who want to stay are angry, bitter guys who didn't keep the original wife and house, not even the second pair, and aren't much in the airmanship department.

I would have much preferred to see ALPA expend it's political capital on legislation that held airline's feet to the fire concerning the fulfillment of their obligations and promises to their employees. Delta and United are making money again. Why are they not required to make their employees whole?

You need to reread my last two sentences in my original post. BTW...thanks for the civility in your repsponse.

 

[LJDRVR]

Man I would love to fly with you and hear all these great stories about how great and awesome you are. NOT!!!

You must be one annoying individual to fly with. I guess those of us under 40 have never had an engine fire, flight control failure, been shot at in combat or had any other emergency. You benefited your whole career from the age 60 and now - that it threatens you, you're happy to see it go. When in fact the majority of pilots are against the age 60 rule. Last I checked this was a democracy but I guess not with this issue once again special interests win out.

Actually, my guess is Spooky would be an amazing guy to fly with. I think you may be pigeon-holing him on an issue based on who you think he is. He's already retired.

As far as a democracy goes? Are you serious? Special interests almost always win. APAAD was more organized than the rest of us, and ALPA threw it's weight behind the change.

My guess is that by 62, most of the folks staying will hang it up. Particularly the widebody crowd. (No offense to them, but take a group of over-aged, overweight humans and continue to disrupt their circadian schedule and I think we'll be seeing quite a few drop dead.* I've not seen a single 777 Captain at my airline that wasn't at least 30-40 pounds overweight.)

* Disclaimer: I respect my fellow Aviators and really don't want that to occur, but I suspect it will, and in surprisingly large numbers.

Blue Skies,

LJDRVR

 

[LJDRVR]

You need to reread my last two sentences in my original post. BTW...thanks for the civility in your repsponse.

Done. I'm not that worried about the change. I'm a glass half-full sort of guy, and this gives me two to three more years of the opportunity to perform as an FO and learn more about my craft.

The Captain pay would be nice, but I've had a PIC mentality since I was sixteen, so it really doesn't matter which seat I'm sitting in, it's all good.

 

[Dan Roman]

Done. I'm not that worried about the change. I'm a glass half-full sort of guy, and this gives me two to three more years of the opportunity to perform as an FO and learn more about my craft.

The Captain pay would be nice, but I've had a PIC mentality since I was sixteen, so it really doesn't matter which seat I'm sitting in, it's all good.

LJ, I'm a big believer peoples opinions usually say more about themselves than the people they are talking about. I'm guessing you are a class act. In defense of the "younger generation" I see a lot more like you with the ability to deal with it, than the few here that are so wrapped around the axel over this deal that they seem to be losing prospective. You are going to do fine no matter what happens to you and your career, some of these other guys I'm not so sure about.

 

[regionaltard]

The old guys sure fart a lot.

 

[Paris]

36. They put plastic covers on their seats.