How to help Comair?

[ex j-41]

System wide sick day would draw attention. Imagine zero flights on Jan 15th. Not like the goverment can throw 50,000 pilots in the slammer.

 

[merlindrvr88]

Good one!

ALPA is far from perfect, but if you ever got off your A@@ to volunteer you might know enough to give a rational opinion.

But given your response, I'm guessing you know very little of the organization you bash on.

I will continue to have money from each of my paychecks taken out for ALPA-PAC.



Mesa Captain

I know quite alot about ALPO, paid my dues for years. I am just alot happier not being forced to belong to that horrible union anymore. Keep drinkin the kool aid.

 

[737 Pylt]

This thread has officially been hijacked by disgruntled mainline "better-than's"

What about DCI wanna be's??

737

 

[FDJ2]

They were for the Delta Pilot Emergency Relief Fund established by the Delta MEC.

That's wonderful. Thank you. I also wrote a couple of personal checks, above and beyond my assessments, to support your pilot relief effort during your strike. I thought it was the right thing to do.

Interesting that you bring up the 70 seat issue. You hammer the economics of the 50 and then try and sieze the 70 which were on order well before the sellout, er, buyout. Your own statements link seniority and the 70 seater, just who do you think the Delta MEC had in mind to fly them?

You'll have to elaborate on that one. The furloughed pilots would have gone, and apparently did, go to the bottom of the CMR seniority list when they were finally able to get a job at CMR without being forced to surrender their recall rights.

Regardless, in the interest of avoiding further thread creep I'll give you the last word on the matter.

Back on point, the best thing we can do to support the CMR pilots, as well as the profession, is to realize that the bankruptcy code and the RLA, as written, are a noose around the neck of organized labor. These are legislative and political issues that need to be addressed and the best way to address it is to vote for candidates that are pro labor and to financially support other candidates who are pro labor through ALPA-PAC contributions each pay day.

 

[fly2002]

Paying dues "for years" teaches you NOTHING about ALPA at all. I didn't drink koolaid to learn that.

 

[fly2002]

Well....FDJ2 gets it!!!!!!

legislative and political issues that need to be addressed and the best way to address it is to vote for candidates that are pro labor and to financially support other candidates who are pro labor through ALPA-PAC contributions each pay day.

Speaking of which....did anyone see John Edwards on "Hardball with Chris Matthews" this weekend? The one where he was at UNC?

 

[CopilotDoug]

Paying dues "for years" teaches you NOTHING about ALPA at all. I didn't drink koolaid to learn that.

I guess you gotta watch ALPA roll over in front of management and then lose your job before you learn a thing or two about ALPA. Until then, ignorance is bliss...

 

[merlindrvr88]

Thank you copilot.

I guess you gotta watch ALPA roll over in front of management and then lose your job before you learn a thing or two about ALPA. Until then, ignorance is bliss...

Thank you copilot, maybe this idiot will wake up. He cannot even say 1 positive thing ALPO has done for him..

 

[merlindrvr88]

Alpa is far!!!

ALPA is far from perfect, but if you ever got off your A@@ to volunteer you might know enough to give a rational opinion.

But given your response, I'm guessing you know very little of the organization you bash on.

I will continue to have money from each of my paychecks taken out for ALPA-PAC.



Mesa Captain

ALPO is far from anything moron. Look at your contract. Look at Andy Hughes. He sold you down the biggest river alive. You are an idiot. Go Mesa you moron!!!

 

[Speedtape]

ALPO is far from anything moron. Look at your contract. Look at Andy Hughes. He sold you down the biggest river alive. You are an idiot. Go Mesa you moron!!!

Maybe, you have sniffed too much glue today while building that Merlin model that the angry ELF left you! :nuts:

Take a deep breath, a long timeout in the corner, and stop calling everybody your family names! :angryfire

 

[CFIT]

Greenslipping is a contractural right, rights that were sought out by your group to defraud my group from, but you already knew that, I'm sure! Besides, its a lot less than the amount sought after from your pathetic "self serving" lawsuit! But we've come to expect nothing less from cmr pilots, let alone rjdc pukes like you!

737

Yes, that makes perfect sense. Nothing better from a "true Delta Pilot".

(Now wait, his only defense will be some below the belt retort, like " get under your bosses desk, or do pylon turns CFI") "sport".

 

[737 Pylt]

Yes, that makes perfect sense. Nothing better from a "true Delta Pilot".

Better than from a "wanna be" Delta pilot!

(Now wait, his only defense will be some below the belt retort, like " get under your bosses desk, or do pylon turns CFI") "sport".

If the shoe fits! How goes those 700 rates troll? :laugh:
737

 

[CFIT]

Were you stoned when you wrote that? balloon knot

 

[N2264J]

Greenslipping is a contractural right...

Yes, we've heard that before. The Delta pilots have every right to exersize their seniority and pick up open time as fast as it is published. Even though that has the affect of keeping furloughed pilots furloughed when the line guys fly all that extra time. So why the bitterness for Comair pilots who wanted a quid from the Delta MEC in the form of Brand Scope to buy a company policy change and allow Delta furloughees to keep their number?

I've been wondering about this for years. Then it hit me.

When the Comair pilots went on strike, it cost Delta, by their own admission, some $680 million dollars. That's $680 million dollars no longer available to say, fund a pension plan or help finance new aircraft for mainline pilots to fly.
Many had Delta stock in their 401K and the strike had an adverse impact on its value. So is it reasonable to assume Delta pilots have a deep seated resentment and animosity toward Comair pilots for striking their airline?

They say we are separate airlines but that's not the way it really is, is it?

Everyone knows the "regionals" are supposed to be a stepping stone and not a career. But they wouldn't be able to say what they really felt because the strike was considered throughout the industry, both inside and outside of ALPA, by mainline and "regional" alike, as a success. As accolades were showered on Comair pilots, mainline pilots gritted their teeth - only three people crossed the line (one ex management, one already retired) and Comair pilots were praised for their unity while the mainliners bit their tongues. Comair pilots got to wear a star on their ALPA wings and while the Delta pilots couldn't, their ears were turning red, a symbol of the "pecking order" put on its head.

The accrimony grew and they needed a canard so they could dis the Comair pilots under the guise of "union brothers as victims." Enter the furloughees.

So while Delta pilots were picking up open time as fast as they could, they slam Comair pilots about a company policy.

 

[PCL_128]

Fins, CMR pilots are picketing in CVG tomorrow. Walking the line with them is a perfect way to show support. If you can make it, PM me and I'll send you the details.

 

[captainv]

Well, now that we've got all that settled.

Herein lies the rub of flightinfo. A simple question degenerates into page after page of finger-pointing. You can post your opinions all you want on this board - but it doesn't seem to change many opinions or have any effect on what happens in the real world.

Suffice it to say that both pilot groups have made their share of mistakes in years past. But how did we get into these bleak situations? through our own actions or because of management? do we not blast them because they don't respond here (and thus we can't cut and paste their posts, arguing each sentence)? or do we truly believe the other pilot group is the real enemy?

As long as we're hijacking threads, I wonder what your opinions are on Capt. Prater. Should he try to fix the wrongs suffered by CAL pilots in years past or say enough is enough and focus on the problems of the day?

Anybody read the article on Mesaba in the latest ALPA magazine? About how the three labor groups got together and presented a united front to management? I wonder what would've happened at Comair if we'd done that...

 

[737 Pylt]

Yes, we've heard that before. The Delta pilots have every right to exersize their seniority and pick up open time as fast as it is published. Even though that has the affect of keeping furloughed pilots furloughed when the line guys fly all that extra time. So why the bitterness for Comair pilots who wanted a quid from the Delta MEC in the form of Brand Scope to buy a company policy change and allow Delta furloughees to keep their number?

Greenslipping didn't have ANY effect on recalls. I never have (in 10 yrs) nor will I use greenslips while we have guys on the street, its more personal! Much as you'd like to sling mud.....The bitterness towards cmr is because of the obvious. Lots of our jr. pilots supported the cmr pilots with their strike (via assessment, and even being able to let them use our strike facility), then got their teeth kicked in return for their help. Then were used as pawns to relax scope! Sounds like extortion!

I've been wondering about this for years. Then it hit me.

I bet it did! Too bad it took you years to realize the obvious. But as an rjdc supporter, its not surprising!

When the Comair pilots went on strike, it cost Delta, by their own admission, some $680 million dollars. That's $680 million dollars no longer available to say, fund a pension plan or help finance new aircraft for mainline pilots to fly.
Many had Delta stock in their 401K and the strike had an adverse impact on its value. So is it reasonable to assume Delta pilots have a deep seated resentment and animosity toward Comair pilots for striking their airline?

Wow, it took you years to come up with THIS?? You are even MORE stupid (if that's even possible) than I origionally thought! Now wonder your case had 90% of its claims thrown out!

They say we are separate airlines but that's not the way it really is, is it?

Yes it is! You are a wholly owned subsidary! Much as you like to brag and tell all your non flying pals that you're a Delta pilot, you're not!

Everyone knows the "regionals" are supposed to be a stepping stone and not a career. But they wouldn't be able to say what they really felt because the strike was considered throughout the industry, both inside and outside of ALPA, by mainline and "regional" alike, as a success. As accolades were showered on Comair pilots, mainline pilots gritted their teeth - only three people crossed the line (one ex management, one already retired) and Comair pilots were praised for their unity while the mainliners bit their tongues. Comair pilots got to wear a star on their ALPA wings and while the Delta pilots couldn't, their ears were turning red, a symbol of the "pecking order" put on its head.

If this was any more fictious, you could patent it and sell it on ebay! Your dreamworld is as out of whack as your lawsuit! You truly don't have a clue how the airline industry works do you? Your group was hailed as "heros" for sticking it to management, I applauded you guys, supported you with assessment checks, offered my help in any way, only to have it trampled by your MEC!

The accrimony grew and they needed a canard so they could dis the Comair pilots under the guise of "union brothers as victims." Enter the furloughees.

Yet it wasn't so hard for the ASA MEC to offer the help! You're reaching, but I see the spin machine is working well!

So while Delta pilots were picking up open time as fast as they could, they slam Comair pilots about a company policy.

Where was the rebuttal from the pilot group?? Where was the public sentiment that the cmr group didn't support lawson? You just can't admit you are wrong! We've grown to expect that from your group, hence, I don't wish you bad will, matter of fact, I wish you well, just don't expect any help!

737

 

[N2264J]

Greenslipping didn't have ANY effect on recalls. I never have (in 10 yrs) nor will I use greenslips while we have guys on the street, its more personal!

So which is it?

If picking up open time has no effect on recalls, why go out of your way to claim you have never greenslipped while Delta has guys on the street?

You keep reminding us that we're separate companies. Fine. Did Delta pilots demand Alaska, Spirit, or Midwest Express hire their furloughees without having to resign their number? No?

I've got an idea. Give it a rest. You're in way over your head. The Delta pilots do not have the moral high ground to lecture Comair pilots on their obligation to your furloughees.

 

[737 Pylt]

enough of the thread hijacking

So which is it?

If picking up open time has no effect on recalls, why go out of your way to claim you have never greenslipped while Delta has guys on the street?

I'll spell it out.....I HAVEN'T picked up open time in 10 years! If you can't understand that, then you're beyond comprehension!

You keep reminding us that we're separate companies. Fine. Did Delta pilots demand Alaska, Spirit, or Midwest Express hire their furloughees without having to resign their number? No?

Matter of fact, there are quite a number of furloughees working at other ALPA carriers who weren't required to resign their seniority #'s. Keep working on the spin, your theories are getting weaker and you're making it way too easy! Perhaps that's why your pathetic lawsuit is doing so poorly!

I've got an idea. Give it a rest. You're in way over your head. The Delta pilots do not have the moral high ground to lecture Comair pilots on their obligation to your furloughees.

No, they did their own furloughees too! Just wondering if the cmr pilots paid for their furloughees cobra benefits?
If I were you, I'd focus on the dismantling of your company, rather than aiming all of your rjdc BS the way of DALPA! The cmr pilot group has been great at screwing over fellow ALPA pilots, just ask the ASA pilots!

You guys are the ones in way over your head!

737

 

[merlindrvr88]

Maybe, you have sniffed too much glue today while building that Merlin model that the angry ELF left you! :nuts:

Take a deep breath, a long timeout in the corner, and stop calling everybody your family names! :angryfire

You are right Speed Tape. Sorry. It wasn't glue, it was vodka. I mean no harm. I just hate ALPO. To each his own. Later guys.