How to get out of a training contract...

[NWaviator]

you might be getting out at the right time: From Saretsky blog: on MArch 28.

"This means that certain markets will likely be cut from our network with the start of the fall schedule, the specifics of which will probably be announced during our first quarter analyst conference call on April 24th. The Horizon Air fleet and network is also being completely revamped and details of the changes will be part of our April 24th analyst call."

furthermore, I say pay it, get it overwith, no legal fees, no stress and you can get on with your life.

 

[ultrarunner]

Has anyone had any luck getting out of a training contract? Specifically QX... But other stories are welcome. My understanding is there is some legal basis under indentured servitude or signing under duress...

I'm curious Highflight, what was the duress you "think" you were placed under?

 

[Highflight1977]

I knew this was going to be flame bate...

This has nothing to do with being a man, or any of that crap.

The post was originally meant to determine if it's legal or not. If it's not legal contract, why pay it? Then your supporting something illegal. That's like saying to Rodney King, Get down there and take it like man!!!

One can argue that the whole purpose of first year pay is so the company can recoup there training costs. They are paying you roughly 10000 less the first year... Well what the hell is that for? Do you magically become a super pilot on your anniversary? Now your worth an extra 10 G's...

If it's legal, I’ll pay it. According to ALPA, (here we go) it's not. But they won't help a first year member.

 

[samballs]

I knew this was going to be flame bate...

This has nothing to do with being a man, or any of that crap.

The post was originally meant to determine if it's legal or not. If it's not legal contract, why pay it? Then your supporting something illegal. That's like saying to Rodney King, Get down there and take it like man!!!

One can argue that the whole purpose of first year pay is so the company can recoup there training costs. They are paying you roughly 10000 less the first year... Well what the hell is that for? Do you magically become a super pilot on your anniversary? Now your worth an extra 10 G's...

If it's legal, I’ll pay it. According to ALPA, (here we go) it's not. But they won't help a first year member.

It wouldn't have been so bad, if he would've taken it like a man.

 

[DrewBlows]

I knew this was going to be flame bate...

This has nothing to do with being a man, or any of that crap.

The post was originally meant to determine if it's legal or not. If it's not legal contract, why pay it? Then your supporting something illegal. That's like saying to Rodney King, Get down there and take it like man!!!

One can argue that the whole purpose of first year pay is so the company can recoup there training costs. They are paying you roughly 10000 less the first year... Well what the hell is that for? Do you magically become a super pilot on your anniversary? Now your worth an extra 10 G's...

If it's legal, I’ll pay it. According to ALPA, (here we go) it's not. But they won't help a first year member.

They may have a point. If it's not covered under the pilot contract I don't see how it could possibly be legal. You don't have the authority under the Railway Labor Act to negotiate a contract with the company, only the union does. If it's covered in the pilot contract you are probably screwed.

Call your pilot representative and ask to speak with an ALPA legal consultant. You may be on probation, but this isn't an unreasonable thing to ask. If they refuse to put you in touch with a lawyer ask one of your friends who isn't on probation to do it for you.

One thing I can tell you with certainty is you will NOT get sound legal advice on Flightinfo.com (including from me).

 

[Highflight1977]

Oh wait... this isn't the freelegaladvise.com forum. Crap! ;-)

Belive me i wasn't looking for anything sound from a forum! Thought maybe someone knew a guy that was roomates with ferris beuler's dead uncle during greek week.. or something...

Giggity!

 

[HAirQ4]

It is in the union (Teamsters) negotiated contract. It's signed on the first day of ground school.
You signed it, pay it, move on.

Indentured servitude? You made $10,000 more than a lot of other regional FO's do their first year. It's still close to poverty level, but brotha please.

As Kenny Roger's said, "Ya picked a fine time to leave me, Lucille." Hike your skirt up, grow some balls, and best of luck on the bottom of your new seniority list. Compass is it?

 

[croutt]

You guys who say pay up are 'tards! These companies take advantage of us from day one. If QOL was such that it showed an ounce or respect to the employees people wouldn't leave. They can fire at will, pilots should be able to quit at will.

 

[Lav Service]

You guys who say pay up are 'tards! These companies take advantage of us from day one. If QOL was such that it showed an ounce or respect to the employees people wouldn't leave. They can fire at will, pilots should be able to quit at will.

So in other words because the company does it we can do it too! It seems that there is a lot of righteous indignation on this board on a variety of topics. We feel that we have been unjustly wronged......and we have, many times. However, what separates us from mgt is that we not only operate our AC in a safe, legal, and professional manner, but that when we shake on a deal we mean to fulfill it. Mgt at my company has backed out of more deals than they can remember, if I do they same I'm no better and thus have no reason to complain. You pay your debts because you signed an agreement to. You're a professional, act like one. It doesn't matter what they act like or what they pay you, you're better than them.....prove it. It would be a different matter if they imposed a fee that you never agreed to or knew about. But at some point during your hiring you were asked verbally if you were ok with this, you then were asked to read and sign the agreement, and you did. Suck it up........stay there or pay up.

 

[atlcrashpad]

Why don't you suck it up and quit acting like a retard on the forum already? Once or twice was funny but after this long period of time each post you makes points more and more to the fact that you must be one incredible tool. The kind of person who laughs at his own jokes prior to anyone else. Constantly looking for attention, approval, and acceptance from everyone around him because he was probably picked on a lot as a kid. Quit being an idiot please. It's getting annoying.

Yo, you might wants ta switch ta decaf or herbal tea....... ha... bouyyyyyyyyyyyyyy......

 

[Captain Morgan]

Yo, you might wants ta switch ta decaf or herbal tea....... ha... bouyyyyyyyyyyyyyy......

Sorry ToiletDuck, I actually kinda enjoy the posts. It's something different.

CM

 

[Captain Morgan]

Ah, you should've signed the contract "Mickey Mouse." BTW, did someone watch you sign the contract? Deny everything, admit nothing my brotha! I would wait it out and see where it goes. Send em 5 dollars a month to keep em off your back.

CM

 

[FlySacto]

Yo, you might wants ta switch ta decaf or herbal tea....... ha... bouyyyyyyyyyyyyyy......

Someone needs to toss dat man some herb and a 40. Just another haater trying to keep a brother down...

 

[i'mbatman]

Pick up this months issue of Aviation International newspaper/magazine....a lot of FBO's have it.....there is an article about a Precendent setting case of a FLEXJET pilot getting out of a training agreement....check it out....it is interesting reading.

 

[GogglesPisano]

You guys who say pay up are 'tards! These companies take advantage of us from day one. If QOL was such that it showed an ounce or respect to the employees people wouldn't leave. They can fire at will, pilots should be able to quit at will.

We are "Tards" for suggesting one honor a contract they've signed?

The simple fact of the matter is that no one should be asking for legal advice on an anonymous message board.

I"ll also add that training contracts are hardly ever "signed under duress." No one holds a proverbial gun to the head. They're usually written in plain English and ignorance is no excuse.

Pilots are always able to quit at will. But these contracts, when written as promissory notes, are enforceable.

The solution is to never sign one in the first place.