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Oh wait... this isn't the freelegaladvise.com forum. Crap! ;-)

Belive me i wasn't looking for anything sound from a forum! Thought maybe someone knew a guy that was roomates with ferris beuler's dead uncle during greek week.. or something...

Giggity!
 
It is in the union (Teamsters) negotiated contract. It's signed on the first day of ground school.
You signed it, pay it, move on.

Indentured servitude? You made $10,000 more than a lot of other regional FO's do their first year. It's still close to poverty level, but brotha please.

As Kenny Roger's said, "Ya picked a fine time to leave me, Lucille." Hike your skirt up, grow some balls, and best of luck on the bottom of your new seniority list. Compass is it?
 
You guys who say pay up are 'tards! These companies take advantage of us from day one. If QOL was such that it showed an ounce or respect to the employees people wouldn't leave. They can fire at will, pilots should be able to quit at will.
 
croutt said:
You guys who say pay up are 'tards! These companies take advantage of us from day one. If QOL was such that it showed an ounce or respect to the employees people wouldn't leave. They can fire at will, pilots should be able to quit at will.
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So in other words because the company does it we can do it too! It seems that there is a lot of righteous indignation on this board on a variety of topics. We feel that we have been unjustly wronged......and we have, many times. However, what separates us from mgt is that we not only operate our AC in a safe, legal, and professional manner, but that when we shake on a deal we mean to fulfill it. Mgt at my company has backed out of more deals than they can remember, if I do they same I'm no better and thus have no reason to complain. You pay your debts because you signed an agreement to. You're a professional, act like one. It doesn't matter what they act like or what they pay you, you're better than them.....prove it. It would be a different matter if they imposed a fee that you never agreed to or knew about. But at some point during your hiring you were asked verbally if you were ok with this, you then were asked to read and sign the agreement, and you did. Suck it up........stay there or pay up.
 
ToiletDuck said:
Why don't you suck it up and quit acting like a retard on the forum already? Once or twice was funny but after this long period of time each post you makes points more and more to the fact that you must be one incredible tool. The kind of person who laughs at his own jokes prior to anyone else. Constantly looking for attention, approval, and acceptance from everyone around him because he was probably picked on a lot as a kid. Quit being an idiot please. It's getting annoying.
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Yo, you might wants ta switch ta decaf or herbal tea....... ha... bouyyyyyyyyyyyyyy......
 
Ah, you should've signed the contract "Mickey Mouse." BTW, did someone watch you sign the contract? Deny everything, admit nothing my brotha! I would wait it out and see where it goes. Send em 5 dollars a month to keep em off your back.

CM
 
Pick up this months issue of Aviation International newspaper/magazine....a lot of FBO's have it.....there is an article about a Precendent setting case of a FLEXJET pilot getting out of a training agreement....check it out....it is interesting reading.
 
croutt said:
You guys who say pay up are 'tards! These companies take advantage of us from day one. If QOL was such that it showed an ounce or respect to the employees people wouldn't leave. They can fire at will, pilots should be able to quit at will.
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We are "Tards" for suggesting one honor a contract they've signed?

The simple fact of the matter is that no one should be asking for legal advice on an anonymous message board.

I"ll also add that training contracts are hardly ever "signed under duress." No one holds a proverbial gun to the head. They're usually written in plain English and ignorance is no excuse.

Pilots are always able to quit at will. But these contracts, when written as promissory notes, are enforceable.

The solution is to never sign one in the first place.
 
A sucker is born everyday. The regionals write their business model on this fact. If there weren't so many "honor your word" wimps out there, these companies would pay us what we're worth and treat us as we deserve to be treated so they could retain the pilots they need. Southwest...highest paid pilots, good work rules, most profitable. Strong inhouse union that does not put up with crap.
 
If you found a better job that could be the best thing for you future, then leave without thinking twice!! Do you think these airlines give a crap about us? They will drop us in a heart beat if they need to. This is business.
 
You may want to finish out your year(or however long that contract is for.) Looks like hiring stopped everywhere, and it will probably hurt you down the road if the people doing the hiring find out you bailed on a contract.
 
Highflight1977 said:
I knew this was going to be flame bate...

This has nothing to do with being a man, or any of that crap.

The post was originally meant to determine if it's legal or not. If it's not legal contract, why pay it? Then your supporting something illegal. That's like saying to Rodney King, Get down there and take it like man!!!

One can argue that the whole purpose of first year pay is so the company can recoup there training costs. They are paying you roughly 10000 less the first year... Well what the hell is that for? Do you magically become a super pilot on your anniversary? Now your worth an extra 10 G's...

If it's legal, I’ll pay it. According to ALPA, (here we go) it's not. But they won't help a first year member.
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Short answer: It's legal. Or else they wouldn't have presented it to you for signature. QX has been around a long time and has some of the best legal counsel in the industry. So trying to rely on some gimcrack theory of "duress" is not advisable.

A legitimate defense might be that the company did not hold up its end of the agreement. Unlikely, but that's one possibility.

Or you could argue that you were not mentally competent to enter into a legal contract. Probably not a good idea if you wish to continue holding a Medical Certificate.

From your post, it appears that you must have been at QX for at least part of a year. Is the contract pro-rated? If so, your obligation will be a fraction of the full amount.
 
croutt said:
You guys who say pay up are 'tards! These companies take advantage of us from day one. If QOL was such that it showed an ounce or respect to the employees people wouldn't leave. They can fire at will, pilots should be able to quit at will.
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There is nothing whatsoever that prevents an employee from "quitting at will". The contract simply stipulates that is you do quite "at will" (not furloughed or fired) you must pay the amount of the obligation you agreed to when you accepted the job, the training and the qualification.
 
croutt said:
A sucker is born everyday. The regionals write their business model on this fact. If there weren't so many "honor your word" wimps out there, these companies would pay us what we're worth and treat us as we deserve to be treated so they could retain the pilots they need. Southwest...highest paid pilots, good work rules, most profitable. Strong inhouse union that does not put up with crap.
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They also require the execution of a training bond, if memory serves.
 
Papps said:
You may want to finish out your year(or however long that contract is for.) Looks like hiring stopped everywhere, and it will probably hurt you down the road if the people doing the hiring find out you bailed on a contract.
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Excellent advice.

It's not just about "getting out of the contract" but what the implications are down the road that may be the higher cost.
 
I haven't read any posts after the first page, so I don't know if anyone else has pointed out the obvious answer as to why you don't pay. Management NEVER HONOR'S THEIR CONTRACTS! So really, there is no obligation on your part to pay up either. Anyone who tells you otherwise is simply a management tool, and you are free to ignore management tools. You should live by management ethics: LIE, CHEAT, STEAL! NEVER DO THE RIGHT THING! ALWAYS LIE, CHEAT, STEAL! Now you have it, good luck.
 

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