How to get out of a training contract...

[Highflight1977]

Seeing how ALPA does not represent QX, what do you expect of them? Tell your boyfriend you want to try being the man for once.

You... and your post.. are about as usefull as a cock flavored lollypop

Now go back to watching WWE Raw, because it's real! Really it is!

 

[CitationUltra]

I haven't read any posts after the first page, so I don't know if anyone else has pointed out the obvious answer as to why you don't pay. Management NEVER HONOR'S THEIR CONTRACTS! So really, there is no obligation on your part to pay up either. Anyone who tells you otherwise is simply a management tool, and you are free to ignore management tools. You should live by management ethics: LIE, CHEAT, STEAL! NEVER DO THE RIGHT THING! ALWAYS LIE, CHEAT, STEAL! Now you have it, good luck.

Have another drink.

 

[doh]

Have another drink.

I actually haven't been drinking, maybe that is the problem. I get a little sick and tired of tools like you telling me about ethics. I am ex CMR. Did they honor the contract they made? I will act with the same integrity as management. Please tell me why I should not follow where management leads. Shouldn't we all be "pulling in the same direction"? When I read what a-holes like you say, it makes me sick.

 

[CitationUltra]

I actually haven't been drinking, maybe that is the problem. I get a little sick and tired of tools like you telling me about ethics. I am ex CMR. Did they honor the contract they made? I will act with the same integrity as management. Please tell me why I should not follow where management leads. Shouldn't we all be "pulling in the same direction"? When I read what a-holes like you say, it makes me sick.

You do come off as being sick alright. A bitter and unprincipled loudmouth.

Setting your misspelled rant in 80-point italics doesn't command respect either, fool.

 

[Herman]

From what I know about training contracts from my friend's cousin's crashpad mate:
your situation to pay back the contract could sound something like this:
- you are willing to pay back the company the full amount you owe
- unfortunately, the added expenses of the payback puts you in financial distress (not unlikely on first year pay...but this situation could last for a long time; marriage, kid, school, another kid, new house, car, boat....).
- Until you are caught up with your financial situation, you are still willing to honor your contract and will be making monthly payments towards your debt by making a monthly "good faith" payment until you are able to pay off a bigger chunk of your debt

I believe any "good faith" payment qulifies to prove your willingness to honor your contract....I recommend somewhere between $0.01 - $1.00.

Good Luck!!!

 

[time builder]

Excellent advice.

It's not just about "getting out of the contract" but what the implications are down the road that may be the higher cost.

I'll second that. It's a very important time to keep your slate clean. If this recession is anything like the one in 2001, time as a first year RJ FO won't mean much, and you might end up crawling back to your old flight school for a job as a CFI (believe me, I saw a few go back to instructing in '01).

Suppose you do make a move and get a job, you're now at the bottom of their seniority list, and the first in line to be furloughed, heaven forbid. With a PRIA that says you've violated a contract, you might end up in a mad scramble to find a low end job just to maintain currency.

 

[knewhigher]

I was able to get Mesa to reduce what I owed them by 50%. $1500 is well worth getting out of there and getting them out of my life.

 

[NWaviator]

"You... and your post.. are about as usefull as a cock flavored lollypop"

That is one of the funniest things I have ever heard. Time to use that analogy with my mother in-law.

I talked to an ACP a couple days ago they are having 16 newhires by June all Q400. We are having healthy attrition hopefully not as much as last spring and summer. Is is Compass???? Best of luck....

 

[Captain Morgan]

Or you could go this route and make them an offer they can't refuse... QX is Teamsters right?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G4KRDVsSsKE

CM

 

[Highflight1977]

NW - I've been gone for a while just trying to decide if i should pay this thing or not... Looks like I probably will, it's really not worth the hassle.

 

[Mr Wu]

Legacy Carrier: "Hello QX chief pilot. I'd like to ask you about one of your former employees"

QX CP: "No problem. Which one?"

Legacy Carrier: "HighFlight1977"

QX CP: "What would you like to know?"

Legacy Carrier: "Is he eligible for rehire?"

QX CP: "No, he is not."

Legacy Carrier: "Why not?"

QX CP: "I can't discuss that with you."

 

[DrewBlows]

I'll second that. It's a very important time to keep your slate clean. If this recession is anything like the one in 2001, time as a first year RJ FO won't mean much, and you might end up crawling back to your old flight school for a job as a CFI (believe me, I saw a few go back to instructing in '01).

Suppose you do make a move and get a job, you're now at the bottom of their seniority list, and the first in line to be furloughed, heaven forbid. With a PRIA that says you've violated a contract, you might end up in a mad scramble to find a low end job just to maintain currency.

This is wrong. There are certain things a company must provide for a PRIA request, they are Pilot Performance (training/evaluation records), Disciplinary Action that Resulted in Termination of Employment, and Disciplinary Action Involving Pilot's Performance.

Though a company could provide additional information (your contract violation) they would be stupid to do so because it would open them up to legal action. The case would last about five minutes in favor of the pilot.

Attorney: "Why didn't you hire my client?"

New Company Official: "Because he failed to pay his training contract at his previous company."

Attorney: "Where did you get this information?"

NCO: "His previous company sent it with his PRIA paper work. See it's right here."

Judge: "I award lost future earnings to Plaintiff minus his training contract money. Next case."

a. Pilot Performance. Furnish records pertaining to the individual’s performance as a pilot, including:
(1) Initial and recurrent training records.
(2) Records concerning qualifications, proficiency, or professional competence of the individual, including comments and evaluations made by a check airman designated under 14 CFR §§ 121.411, 125.295, or 135.337. For example, documents that show the individual’s qualifications as instructor/evaluator, check airman, or examiner; and records of the individual’s proficiency checks (recurring checks for captain, first officer, or line checks).
(3) Records of any disciplinary action(s) that were not subsequently overturned, if these disciplinary actions pertained to the individual’s performance as a pilot.
(4) Any release from employment or resignation, termination, or disqualification of the individual with respect to employment.
b. Disciplinary Actions that Resulted in Termination of Employment. Report any disciplinary actions you took against the pilot that played any role in the individual’s termination or release from employment.
c. Disciplinary Actions Involving Pilot’s Performance. Only report disciplinary actions unrelated to an individual’s termination or release from employment if the actions involved the individual’s performance as a pilot and have not been subsequently overturned. You should not report other employment-related actions that have nothing to do with the pilot’s aeronautical duties that resulted in a disciplinary action, but did not result in discharge or termination.

 

[time builder]

Thanks for the specifics on the PRIA. I still don't think it's going to look good on the record. And most companies that I know of will ask about ineligability for rehire.

Bottom line, it's going to get competitive trying to find airline jobs in a recession. You don't want that on your record.