How much am I worth

[Publishers]

The thing that no one is bringing up is that with this fleet, the owner has more than one pilot. What are the other pilots like, what is there record been, do they get reasonable compensation, how are they treated, have they stayed there awhile, etc...???
This could be a great deal for you or a lousy one. You mentioned you were low on turbine time but we do not have enough information on the rest of your background??

 

[aussiefly]

Depends how the long the upgrade is and whether you are going to be the gopher boy as well. IMHO thats pretty darn low pay for being qual'd in 3 types.

 

[Freight Dog]

T-1... I don't know about you, but I simply don't care what the cost of training is. It makes no difference to me whatsoever. That is the cost of doing business. If the owner cannot afford to pay that, he has no business owning those airplanes.

 

[T-1GUY]

Freight Dog,

I agree that the pay is not up to par. However, if the owner pays for the training, and you accept the training, you will now have some leverage over your salary. Furthermore, if you decide to walk away after a few months, you will now have more qualifications that can help make you competitive for a higher paying job. If the owner doesnt want you to leave, you could always ask him to pay you what you are now worth.

Dont get me wrong, I think the salary sucks....But I also realize that this profession has a certain "whore yourself out" mentality.

Its a dog eat dog world and I would love to see owners like this go away... I have lost more than one job offer from an owner who couldnt pay NBAA salaries, but could drop $15,000 a night at the blackjack tables.

I say get the training, ask for more pay, and if the owner wont budge, WALK!!!

 

[Way2Broke]

Are they typing you?

 

[Publishers]

Freight Dog may know more people than I do but it seems to me that depending on the answers to the questions I posed above, this may be an opportuniity. Frankly there has only been one pilot that I have come across in the last three years that we felt storngly enough about to hire and immediately pay for training

 

[Freight Dog]

So Publishers, do you require your applicants to pay for their own training?

 

[siucavflight]

I say suck it up for a year. The cost of training you in three airplanes would cost you over $50,000 if you were to pay for this yourself. Go to training, work hard, get typed, get 1 year of experience under your belt.

Here is the thing, the training woudl not have cost him anything he gave me the book, told me to study and fly a lot of what he was claiming to be "91" trips with him and then send me to the FSDO in New york for a check ride, so the cost to him would have been minimal.

 

[T-1GUY]

Wow,

Sounds like a cheap bastard.... That said, I say Runaway!!!!

 

[G100driver]

Here is the thing, the training woudl not have cost him anything he gave me the book, told me to study and fly a lot of what he was claiming to be "91" trips with him and then send me to the FSDO in New york for a check ride, so the cost to him would have been minimal.

Run Forrest ... RUN!!!!!!

This is NOT the way to train pilots.

This owner has a serious moral delima. Not only is he cheating you, but almost or perhaps more importantly, he is cheating his clients.

Somehow, this practice of inhouse training must be put to an end. It is un-ethical.

 

[osy007]

im a 135 charter guy

RUN AWAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!

5 hard days off...Thats total B.S. That is less than minimum wage.

Thats 305 days on and 60 off...
That equals $65 dollars a day....That is not funny...
RRRRUUUUNNN AWAY...

 

[Freight Dog]

SIU... please tell me you laughed at this guy and told him to look for another sucker.

I can't believe any self-respecting pilot would take this job.

 

[Publishers]

We pay for training but have a training contract. There are always exceptions. We had one retired airline pilot who came trained but wanted to switch aircraft. He wanted to pay for his own because there was no real incentive for us to pay or do the switch so we said OK. The other was someone who I watched work in a piston twin for three years. We hired him and paid but with a training contract. Frankly our deal is mostly to look for experienced current and qualified personnel. Recurrent is not a problem but to hire off the street and do initials is not really desireable.

 

[siucavflight]

SIU... please tell me you laughed at this guy and told him to look for another sucker.

I can't believe any self-respecting pilot would take this job.

Wound up at the regionals instead. Thank you for your help, and this thread really did help me make up my mind.

 

[pilotyip]

This gives you the resume fluff to make your next move. You will bypass the long wait in the right seat of a RJ. It will also give you an entry point into the Corp world. With the coming pilot shortage you will find yourself very marketable in the next 18 month. Plus regional flying can be boring; you will learn a lot about flying in the 135 world. Don't chase QOL before you have the credentials to land that career job.

 

[BGSkyGuy]

I agree w/ yip. I think alot of the responses you are getting are from high time pilots who don't know what it's like to be low time wanting a job. My choices right now are to go to the regionals (yuck!!!) or go fly a baron or 402 at night single pilot IFR for 22k. If someone gave me the chance to fly right seat in a couple jets I'd sign up asap. Call it SJS I prefer to think that it is a step up from the alternatives.

 

[RUNWAYHOG]

They could type me in the space shuttle and I wouldn't take it for 20K. You will have NO LIFE. Been there, done that, and will not do it again. 30K with your time maybe, but not 20. How can you live on 20K??? At todays gas prices 20% of what you will make will have to feed your car. Tell the guy to find a 5 hour CFI.

 

[BGSkyGuy]

How can you live on 20K a year? Ask a 1st yr. FO at GLA how he's living on 13.5K, or a 1st year Mesa FO, 16.4K, or a first year Colgan FO doing it on 18.9k. Like I said before you guys have a lot of time and can sit back and say, that job is a piece of sh#t, but look at some of the other "opportunities" out there.

 

[siucavflight]

How can you live on 20K a year? Ask a 1st yr. FO at GLA how he's living on 13.5K, or a 1st year Mesa FO, 16.4K, or a first year Colgan FO doing it on 18.9k. Like I said before you guys have a lot of time and can sit back and say, that job is a piece of sh#t, but look at some of the other "opportunities" out there.

I dont consider those opportunities, I would rather not fly then take a job at Mesa.

 

[coffeepilot]

Location is more important in this case in my opinion

I think in this case the location Midwest is the key word! Low cost of living, low salaries!

If you get similar job in new york, Los Angeles, Miami area you could easily get 40-60K for similar job!

Take a job, fly your butt off and move on!