How many in good standing at FLOPS?

[Dingo221]

Strike vote at FLOPS

Counting the furloughed people in good standing at the time of their furlough, How many of us can vote for the strike?
My guess is
let's see,
About 100 pilots are against the union
about 250 may be for the union but behind their payments,
so this bring us to about 200 to vote.
So if 50 vote against the strike, this means that about 150 pilots will decide to strike. Humm only 150 pilots will decide for 550 pilots.
Is this acceptable?

 

[ultrarunner]

Counting the furloughed people in good standing at the time of their furlough, How many of us can vote for the strike?
My guess is
let's see,
About 100 pilots are against the union
about 250 may be for the union but behind their payments,
so this bring us to about 200 to vote.
So if 50 vote against the strike, this means that about 150 pilots will decide to strike. Humm only 150 pilots will decide for 550 pilots.
Is this acceptable?

It's not about acceptable or not Dingo, it's the way it is. And typical when there is not 100 percent unity among a unionized labor group.

 

[Dingo221]

My vote, and yes I have received my ballot vote. will be NO.
Every single pilots should be able to decide of this issue, not only a few people who are in good standing.

 

[993_Pilot]

Your numbers are way off

 

[BeenThereDoneIt]

It is a choice to work for a unionized comapny. It is a choice to pay your dues. It is a choice to vote. Ya know, I didn't vote for Obama, but that's part of living in a Democratic Republic.

Besides......I don't think enough of the FLOPS guys will vote to strike...even though that is the whole point of being unionized......to HAVE A VOICE and a CHOICE.

 

[Dingo221]

oh yeah, What are your # Ultra?

 

[GhettoBeechjet]

Counting the furloughed people in good standing at the time of their furlough, How many of us can vote for the strike?
My guess is
let's see,
About 100 pilots are against the union
about 250 may be for the union but behind their payments,
so this bring us to about 200 to vote.
So if 50 vote against the strike, this means that about 150 pilots will decide to strike. Humm only 150 pilots will decide for 550 pilots.
Is this acceptable?

It is about as acceptable as 200 pilots (using your numbers) carrying the financial burden for a 500 pilot union. There is NO ACCEPTABLE EXCUSE to be behind on your dues. If you choose and it is a choice to not keep up with your obligations then you forfit you right to have a voice. If those folks don't like it catch up on their dues.

 

[William Holiday]

Haaa Haaa those are funny numbers, must be your idea of new math. Looks like it's time to go phising. Hope you catch a big one.

 

[Narrow Bridge]

The union must be worried, they are calling people and asking them what their secret vote is going to be. What a load of sh*t. When you tell them you are not going to vote in favor of a strike, they start with their intimidation bull crap.

 

[William Holiday]

The union must be worried, they are calling people and asking them what their secret vote is going to be. What a load of sh*t. When you tell them you are not going to vote in favor of a strike, they start with their intimidation bull crap.

WOW....Now there's some......NEWS.....burp, NB, having inside information. This is a funny thread......I like it.

 

[skyismyoffice]

I bet 90+% of the MIGs vote YES.

 

[I'Zheet M'Drarz]

One must assume that if you voluntarily support a group financially the group must represent the way you feel and think. You can also assume that if this group suggest you vote a specific way, being of like mind, you would. So if I was a betting man I would bet all but one or two pilots will vote to strike.

Just my 2 cents, but that's all I can afford after 9 1/2 months.

 

[Dingo221]

I agree with Sky, 100 % of the furloughed people (but only the one in good standing, so not so many ) will vote for the strike.

 

[fracjack]

unity??

we shall see what the vote count is unless the union does not publish it then, if a cba is reached i believe it must be published. do not be surprised that ibt will be gone after the fight if anything is left. broken promises,underhanded tactics to even get on the property and convenient rule changes made by manipulating ballots ,paying back out dues paid in to select few,following an idiotic ego inflated puke from united, scaring away customers as fast as the company did and inheriting a large war chest paid by nj members i believe the majority of pilots will wish they never signed up and the "non sanctioned or endorsed" campaign to ground airplanes. most of the talking seems to come out of two orifices and one of them smells teamsters are effective if your a boilermaker

 

[jetwash]

we shall see what the vote count is unless the union does not publish it then, if a cba is reached i believe it must be published. do not be surprised that ibt will be gone after the fight if anything is left. broken promises,underhanded tactics to even get on the property and convenient rule changes made by manipulating ballots ,paying back out dues paid in to select few,following an idiotic ego inflated puke from united, scaring away customers as fast as the company did and inheriting a large war chest paid by nj members i believe the majority of pilots will wish they never signed up and the "non sanctioned or endorsed" campaign to ground airplanes. most of the talking seems to come out of two orifices and one of them smells teamsters are effective if your a boilermaker

Bad day?

It looks like someone is a little worried and needs a hug.

 

[shanes123]

Bad day?

It looks like someone is a little worried and needs a hug.

looks like someone is cracked out..that made no sense

 

[ProFracPilot]

When you tell them you are not going to vote in favor of a strike, they start with their intimidation bull crap.

Did they at least let you choose which of your kneecaps they're going to take out, NB?:laugh::laugh::laugh:

 

[BeenThereDoneIt]

Is this a good time to apply at FLOPS? LOLOL

 

[skanza]

Did they at least let you choose which of your kneecaps they're going to take out, NB?:laugh::laugh::laugh:

This kind of implied violence is part of what's wrong with the union mentality. Ok, it's not the 20s, there's no mob/organised crime behind the union. Get out of your movie world and get real...

 

[skanza]

Counting the furloughed people in good standing at the time of their furlough, How many of us can vote for the strike?
My guess is
let's see,
About 100 pilots are against the union
about 250 may be for the union but behind their payments,
so this bring us to about 200 to vote.
So if 50 vote against the strike, this means that about 150 pilots will decide to strike. Humm only 150 pilots will decide for 550 pilots.
Is this acceptable?

No, it is not. The whole "bad apple" in the bunch theory applies...

 

[hogbody]

Wrong!

The union must be worried, they are calling people and asking them what their secret vote is going to be. What a load of sh*t. When you tell them you are not going to vote in favor of a strike, they start with their intimidation bull crap.

You got it wrong NB. The IBT 1108 leadership called and asked for the support of the members in good standing, and they answered any questions the MIG's had. No different from any other individual or organization campaigning to increase support prior to any vote. Do you have knowledge of any intimidation? Please tell me you didn't just make this up. Where are the facts?

 

[jonjuan]

This kind of implied violence is part of what's wrong with the union mentality. Ok, it's not the 20s, there's no mob/organised crime behind the union. Get out of your movie world and get real...

Back to avantair with your other screen name, b19.

 

[CE-560 DRVR]

To FracJack, Skanza, et all.
The union was voted in by a majority of the pilots at Flight Options.... get over it.

Regarding negotiations:
Two different management teams have continually delayed our efforts to obtain a first contract. We have negotiated patiently and in good faith since 2006. We are still compensated 40% less than the rest of the industry, work the most days per year, receive no holiday pay, no 401K match, and pay outrageous premiums for insurance. Did I mention no job protection?
Why?

The 1108 proposal regarding pay and benefits is a reasonable one. Flops management refused to produce a counter-offer throughout this past summer despite repeated requests from the union. They presented a counter-offer at the 11th hour after being pressured by the mediator to do so.

Obviously, our negotiating team felt the offer was woefully inadequate and has made the decision to take a strike vote. A "no" vote says you prefer status quo. I cannot believe anyone in good standing would vote no.

Wake up!

 

[dime line]

To FracJack, Skanza, et all.
The union was voted in by a majority of the pilots at Flight Options.... get over it.

And if you don't like, then quit!

 

[fracjack]

The union was voted in by a majority of the pilots at Flight Options.... get over it.

!

Tell me...is the majority also migs?

they all could be but 1108 has their not done that in good faith.

Follow the money, the dues paid by flop migs is a pitance. The real money was inherited. Rule changes and ballots were a majority direct result of the NJ pilots and on their way out of IBT1108 they took a nice fat loan.
Dubinsky has been so out of touch with this industry and led the remainder to pick up the pieces if there are any pieces left.

Just for the record I would support a strike vote

 

[bunman45]

Your group doesn't have the balls to strike. Just keep taking it in the a$$!

 

[shanes123]

Your group doesn't have the balls to strike. Just keep taking it in the a$$!

I AGREE!!!..The union leader is weak and the pilot group is even weaker.

 

[skyismyoffice]

I AGREE!!!..The union leader is weak and the pilot group is even weaker.

$100 says you are WRONG!!!

 

[Dingo221]

I repeat,
I will not vote for the strike but I will not be a scab.
Not affraid of the repercusions but I will not cross the picket line and will support them. I just do not think a strike is the way to go.

 

[993_Pilot]

I repeat,
I will not vote for the strike but I will not be a scab.
Not affraid of the repercusions but I will not cross the picket line and will support them. I just do not think a strike is the way to go.

Nobody really thinks that a strike is the way to go. Just because most of us are voting "Yes" to a strike authorizatiuon doesn't mean that we want one. But make no mistake about it, Most of us are willing to strike if necessary. I just hope they don't try to call our bluff, because we aren't bluffing. It would be much better for Everybody if the management would just come to the table, in a timely fashion, with a serious offer and settle this thing. So far they haven't.

Educate yourself... You really need to watch the videos on the union website. Long before they happened, Phil Comstock has pretty much called every move/tactic that the company has used, even though they claim they aren't using a "playbook". If they were really genuine, they wouldn't still have FUD & Harrison on retainer. Herzbergs "thoughts and concerns" are right out of the anti-union FUD playbook. Prepare for more of the company spin soon... just take them for what they are, more FUD!