How many in good standing at FLOPS?

[SecondSegment]

Pass the popcorn and don't drink the Kool Aid.

If we ever get a chance to vote on a contract, How many MIGS are actually employed at Flight Options?

Looks like most of the MIGS are LONG GONNERS with no realistic hope of coming back. Or, if we are talking about pilots still gainfully employed by Flight Options, we have a case of the few controlling the many. Further, regarding the leadership, Who did we actually vote for???.

Why can't we get a contract?

Because a large majority of the FO Pilots are not MIGS and they do not believe in the U as it stands. Union Leadership knows that the majority would gladly replace the teamsters with an in house as soon a contract is signed. Rather than face that reality, leadership is happy to continue the negotiating game indefinitely. Replacing the union is a favored option with employed pilots over ponying up large chunks of cash to become a MIGS in an organization that they don't believe in. Management loves this because they are getting it cheap and have more time to set up the replacement flight departments in other owned, affiliate, charter companies.

If you agree, or think that some of that could be true, What about a strike??

I personally know only a handful that are still paying. Most of the FO Pilots I talk to were paying at one time, but no longer. If you are one of the majority not paying, but still employed, Are you willing to trash your whole career by scabbing? Do you get the feeling that you are being held hostage by the few and getting bent over by management? You're not alone!

What we have here is a no win situation for the majority, as it stands now. Management obviously does not want a deal. If we strike you are screwed either way. You will either be a scab at a shell, affiliate, charter company that won't last very long, or you will be an unemployed striker.

The solution, It's Obvious. The time, NOW!

 

[skyhookd]

It is what it is. And if you cant see what it is, your blinded by ignorance. Cause what it is, is collusion, misrepresentation, and pure lies. No trust, no faith, no loyalty here, to either party. I also wonder if KR ever read the book he wrote. And as far as an in house union goes....... they've already hand picked that team as well. It would just be more of the same. Good luck with those suck a$$es.

 

[GerryG]

Pass the popcorn and don't drink the Kool Aid.

If we ever get a chance to vote on a contract, How many MIGS are actually employed at Flight Options?

Looks like most of the MIGS are LONG GONNERS with no realistic hope of coming back. Or, if we are talking about pilots still gainfully employed by Flight Options, we have a case of the few controlling the many. Further, regarding the leadership, Who did we actually vote for???.

Why can't we get a contract?

Because a large majority of the FO Pilots are not MIGS and they do not believe in the U as it stands. Union Leadership knows that the majority would gladly replace the teamsters with an in house as soon a contract is signed. Rather than face that reality, leadership is happy to continue the negotiating game indefinitely. Replacing the union is a favored option with employed pilots over ponying up large chunks of cash to become a MIGS in an organization that they don't believe in. Management loves this because they are getting it cheap and have more time to set up the replacement flight departments in other owned, affiliate, charter companies.

If you agree, or think that some of that could be true, What about a strike??

I personally know only a handful that are still paying. Most of the FO Pilots I talk to were paying at one time, but no longer. If you are one of the majority not paying, but still employed, Are you willing to trash your whole career by scabbing? Do you get the feeling that you are being held hostage by the few and getting bent over by management? You're not alone!

What we have here is a no win situation for the majority, as it stands now. Management obviously does not want a deal. If we strike you are screwed either way. You will either be a scab at a shell, affiliate, charter company that won't last very long, or you will be an unemployed striker.

The solution, It's Obvious. The time, NOW!

I don’t mean to burst your bubble there Judas but the 1108 now has more members in good standing than at any time in its existence. So its actually the few, yourself included, who by not supporting our union, diminish our negotiators leverage at the bargaining table. Its also funny you complain about who is running the union. As I recall, our union leaders ran unopposed. Why didn’t you step up at the time and run for an office? Oh that’s right, you had to be in good standing to run for office. Instead now you support an in-house? So you’ve been freeloading off the majority of us and now you think you would have the credibility to lead and insurrection? Get real, everyone knows an in-house, combined with the revenue generated from 320 active pilots is a recipe for disaster. In in-house at Flops would be nothing more than a puppet of management. They would have no funds and would end up selling all of us down the river. And led by a group of free-riders? That’s beyond hilarious.

As far as your not paying dues to “an organization they don’t believe in’. I have it from a reliable source that just as at NJ and almost every other unionized carrier, our TA’d union security clause establishes an agency shop. So you will pay dues or a shop fee equivalent to union dues post contract. Failure to do so will result in termination.

I think our union is handling what amounts to a monumentally difficult task, given this economy, with poise and intelligence. Our leadership has my support and my monthly dues check. As for you, you represent a small cowardly element within our group. You never had the stones to support your fellow pilots in a fight, but now you’re afraid the union is going to force you to expose yourself as the scab that you are by going on strike and you hope to save yourself by trashing your fellow pilots efforts.

And you know what the ultimate irony is? By not supporting your union all this time and thereby weakening their position in negotiations, you and your fellow management sycophants have made this process take longer.

We will achieve our goal of a contract with or without you.

 

[gutshotdraw]

Cue Knucklehead 19 in 3, 2, 1....

 

[TurboHonda]

Pass the popcorn and don't drink the Kool Aid.

If we ever get a chance to vote on a contract, How many MIGS are actually employed at Flight Options?

Looks like most of the MIGS are LONG GONNERS with no realistic hope of coming back. Or, if we are talking about pilots still gainfully employed by Flight Options, we have a case of the few controlling the many. Further, regarding the leadership, Who did we actually vote for???.

Why can't we get a contract?

Because a large majority of the FO Pilots are not MIGS and they do not believe in the U as it stands. Union Leadership knows that the majority would gladly replace the teamsters with an in house as soon a contract is signed. Rather than face that reality, leadership is happy to continue the negotiating game indefinitely. Replacing the union is a favored option with employed pilots over ponying up large chunks of cash to become a MIGS in an organization that they don't believe in. Management loves this because they are getting it cheap and have more time to set up the replacement flight departments in other owned, affiliate, charter companies.

If you agree, or think that some of that could be true, What about a strike??

I personally know only a handful that are still paying. Most of the FO Pilots I talk to were paying at one time, but no longer. If you are one of the majority not paying, but still employed, Are you willing to trash your whole career by scabbing? Do you get the feeling that you are being held hostage by the few and getting bent over by management? You're not alone!

What we have here is a no win situation for the majority, as it stands now. Management obviously does not want a deal. If we strike you are screwed either way. You will either be a scab at a shell, affiliate, charter company that won't last very long, or you will be an unemployed striker.

The solution, It's Obvious. The time, NOW!

You don’t give your fellow man much credit for having any principles. What kind of charter operator would agree to pimping out their pilots to fly struck work for the toothy one? What kind of pilot would continue to work there?

You refer to scabs at a charter company. I got criticized for suggesting that definition, so I hope you fare better with it.

Anyway, good luck with your spinal problem. As for me, my choices have never been limited to just two.

 

[993_Pilot]

...The solution, It's Obvious. The time, NOW!

Pure FUD... Kenn, Mike, Bob??? I know you probably all think that we're stupid, but really?... do you really think we'll fall for bait like that? Give us a little more credit than that.

 

[SecondSegment]

Always great to hear the club members jump in. Just keep your heads in the sand and play the ostrich game. Ignore the pilots with excuses like the posts above. You're about to get the old Donald Trump Cobra. Just like NJ, the vote will clean this mess up. Too bad we picked the wrong guys. Oh, Wait a minute, We didn't vote for you.

 

[GerryG]

Always great to hear the club members jump in. Just keep your heads in the sand and play the ostrich game. Ignore the pilots with excuses like the posts above. You're about to get the old Donald Trump Cobra. Just like NJ, the vote will clean this mess up. Too bad we picked the wrong guys. Oh, Wait a minute, We didn't vote for you.

And how do you plan to pay for your in-house? Unlike NJ who had roughly 3000 pilots at the time of its disaffiliation from the 1108, we now have 320 active pilots. Let’s see roughly $300,000 per month at NJ v/s roughly $32,000 at Flops (if you can get all of them to pay their dues without a contract). Now I understand how an effective independent organization can be run be run for $300k but on $32,000, no way. Without the support of an international union like the Teamsters, assuming you can pull it off, your little in-house will be so much chum for managements shark.

So it all comes down to this, you are less afraid of selling the pilot group down the river with a weak in-house than you are afraid of being exposed as a scab. Rather than man-up and support the union we have in place and give it all the leverage it needs to get this contract done, by stating emphatically that if it comes to a strike you will join your brother and sister pilots and walk the line, you would rather put your hand out to management. Because that is all your weak in-house would be able to do, put out its hand.


In case you haven’t heard, in politics, its all about the money. But you know in the end I’m not too worried. I think our pilots can do the arithmetic.

 

[SecondSegment]

Gerry, You do the arithmatic. Count the lanyards. I don't see any.

Maybe you had a little too much fun in the 70s.

 

[dime line]

Gerry, You do the arithmatic. Count the lanyards. I don't see any.

Maybe you had a little too much fun in the 70s.

I see a lot, at FBO's I see lanyards together, and non lanyards together. Its pretty funny. But I think your wrong.

 

[Myster79]

I haven't read any other posts...just the title.. I am in good standing and I support my union!!!

 

[cherry20's]

I see a lot, at FBO's I see lanyards together, and non lanyards together. Its pretty funny. But I think your wrong.

Can't tell you the last time I actually saw some FLOPS pilots with lanyards, the union kind that is... And when I did see one last, (few months ago) it was the FO wearing one and the Capt wasn't. I bet that was a fun rotation!!! Good luck to yall.

 

[Myster79]

Can't tell you the last time I actually saw some FLOPS pilots with lanyards, the union kind that is... And when I did see one last, (few months ago) it was the FO wearing one and the Capt wasn't. I bet that was a fun rotation!!! Good luck to yall.

STFU... Cherry your an idiot. You think because you flew at cherry air and you now pull gear on a X you are an expert on Flight Options??? Where did you see that crew..... AMA at 0400???? Shut up!

 

[SecondSegment]

Nice Avitar,
Wave Good Bye Gerry!!

Ba-BYE!!

StrokeMyster - I probably did see them at 4am. I had to be there too to cover them. A bunch of guys there - One guy with a lanyard and an attitude.

Stroke Stroke Stroke. SEEE-YA

 

[jetwash]

What's the big deal with lanyards?

I am a MIG but don't like wearing the lanyard. ( I do wear the pin).
If that is the way management is measuring support for the Union they are in for a rude awakening.

 

[Frac Cap]

Cherry, I remember when you just got your job at XO Jet. you were kissing managements a$$ so much on this board I think that they were blushing. It was so pathetically clear by the way your posts read that you wanted them to be able to easily identify you. You told them when you were hired, and even when you are on duty just to make sure they don't miss-identify you. You wanted to stand out to them for some reason. I don't know if it was because your skills and experience were lacking, but you want to get a PIC slot before the more deserving senior pilots, or that maybe someday you wanted to move up to management. I will give you the benefit of the doubt and assume it is the latter. It is clear that you do not have respect for your fellow aviators and our struggles to provide a better life for ourselves and our family's. I use to think you were just some inexperienced kid that is trying to find his way in a new company eager to please management that gave you your big shot. Now I know that your path desires to be that not of a working pilot but one that has the capacity to disregard the sacrifices and struggles of the average line pilot. One that could care less that someone with less seniority and experience gets the coveted PIC slot because the only requirement for that position is the ability to get the job done at all costs, safety and professionalism is not a factor. You should also know this back stabbing, brown nosing act hasn't gone unnoticed by your peers. I would keep an eye on your crew meals very closely if I were you.

I do not like to make personal attacks, and have always silently found humor in your transparent, goal oriented post on the XO Jet thread. But I have enough respect for your pilots to keep any negative posts against any of them, or your company, (if I had any) off their thread. I suggest you for once show some professionalism and keep your anti pilot/anti union crap either to yourself, or limited to your own thread. And while you are at it, why don't you see if management has finally accepted your application from this forum, you know they know who you are.

 

[Myster79]

Second Segment

I probably did see them at 4am. I had to be there too to cover them.

Keep up the good work! Maybe you can be a PSM one day!!!

 

[dime line]

Cherry, I remember when you just got your job at XO Jet. you were kissing managements a$$ so much on this board I think that they were blushing. It was so pathetically clear by the way your posts read that you wanted them to be able to easily identify you. You told them when you were hired, and even when you are on duty just to make sure they don't miss-identify you. You wanted to stand out to them for some reason. I don't know if it was because your skills and experience were lacking, but you want to get a PIC slot before the more deserving senior pilots, or that maybe someday you wanted to move up to management. I will give you the benefit of the doubt and assume it is the latter. It is clear that you do not have respect for your fellow aviators and our struggles to provide a better life for ourselves and our family's. I use to think you were just some inexperienced kid that is trying to find his way in a new company eager to please management that gave you your big shot. Now I know that your path desires to be that not of a working pilot but one that has the capacity to disregard the sacrifices and struggles of the average line pilot. One that could care less that someone with less seniority and experience gets the coveted PIC slot because the only requirement for that position is the ability to get the job done at all costs, safety and professionalism is not a factor. You should also know this back stabbing, brown nosing act hasn't gone unnoticed by your peers. I would keep an eye on your crew meals very closely if I were you.

I do not like to make personal attacks, and have always silently found humor in your transparent, goal oriented post on the XO Jet thread. But I have enough respect for your pilots to keep any negative posts against any of them, or your company, (if I had any) off their thread. I suggest you for once show some professionalism and keep your anti pilot/anti union crap either to yourself, or limited to your own thread. And while you are at it, why don't you see if management has finally accepted your application from this forum, you know they know who you are.

Cherry just got summed up in a paragraph. Nice.

There is nothing wrong with going into management, it is needed just as pilots are, just dont go at it on your knees.

 

[cherry20's]

You guys are to funny! Say what ever you want, you're not going to hurt my feelings... Stick and stones buddy, sticks and stones.

All I did was make a statement about how many of those lanyards I had, or hadn't seen! Jeez...

I'm not a union buster and don't spew anti union antics like B19. I would rather not have one at my company but doesn't mean I am completely against them! I think there is a time and place for unions, and you guys at FLOPS need one. Thats why I said "good luck" you jerk. I don't think its the best timing though, maybe it is...

And Frac capt, I just post things how they are... Sorry if you don't agree with them. You've got your opinion and so do I. And I have no intentions of every being mgmt and don't plan on jumping anyone in upgrade positions. Its all done be seniority now anyway you fool. Thanks for painting me as a union busting backstabber though!

Everyone at XO knows who I am, pilot wise at least. I don't hide who I am... None of our Mgmt looks at the trash talking board anyway. There isn't any good info that ever comes from it. Just a bunch of old pissed off pilots bitchin at each other.

So back to complaining in 3-2-1...

 

[dime line]

None of our Mgmt looks at the trash talking board anyway.

Cherry, we have been at this game for a long time, If you think your management doesnt look at this board, your in denial. Over the past years, many names on this board have been thrown around in Cleveland, (including mine). We know at this very moment our company is trying to figure out who is who on here.