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Frac Cap said:
... It is clear that you do not have respect for your fellow aviators and our struggles to provide a better life for ourselves and our family's. I use to think you were just some inexperienced kid that is trying to find his way in a new company eager to please management that gave you your big shot. Now I know that your path desires to be that not of a working pilot but one that has the capacity to disregard the sacrifices and struggles of the average line pilot. One that could care less that someone with less seniority and experience gets the coveted PIC slot because the only requirement for that position is the ability to get the job done at all costs, safety and professionalism is not a factor...
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What else would you expect from a guy that came from Cherry Air and who is apparently proud enough of it to use it as his screen name ?
 
dime line said:
Cherry, we have been at this game for a long time, If you think your management doesnt look at this board, your in denial. Over the past years, many names on this board have been thrown around in Cleveland, (including mine). We know at this very moment our company is trying to figure out who is who on here.
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I'm sure YOUR company is Dime... Our Mgmt isn't on this board and/or trying to figure out who WE are. I'm not in denial... That's a river in Egypt, isn't it? Good luck man, I'm really not rooting against you...

933, good to see your ugly head poke back in here at Cherry Air. Cherry is what it is man, a stepping stone. It was a great time building job and great flying experience for someone in my shoes. I'm sure you've heard some embellished stories about Cherry, but as Capt there, you always had the final say if you went or not... That's all I'm gonna say about that.

Why would I not be proud of working there? It was a good paying job, that was challenging, and I made a lot of life long friends there. It got me more than enough prepared for any other flying job out there! Just because it was old planes in crappy flying conditions I shouldn't be proud of working there? Ask any old Cherry pilot if they're not proud of having worked there... It builds character, that you earned!
 
cherry20's said:
...I'm sure you've heard some embellished stories about Cherry, but as Capt there, you always had the final say if you went or not...
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You don't need to educate me on how the company works, I started flying for them back in the early 90's when, Kenny Donaldson was just a dispatcher working for his dad. The captain had some say, the copilot really didn't. As a copilot, can you honestly tell me that you were happy with all the decisions the captain made, especially when you knew he was being pressured by the company? As a Captain, can you honestly tell me that they never attempted to pressure you into carrying a write up until you got back to ADS or to a contract MX shop? Can you honestly tell me that they never attempted to pressure you into taking less retail (high priced) fuel than you really wanted to take. Can you honestly tell me that they never played games with the duty/rest times? If you can, then they have changed, but somehow I doubt it.

cherry20's said:
...It was a good paying job,...
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No, it wasn't. Knowing Kenny Donaldson, it still isn't.
... or maybe your idea of good pay is a bit different than mine.

cherry20's said:
... that was challenging... It got me more than enough prepared for any other flying job out there! ...
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Well that is true, but perhaps going forward you're setting the bar a bit low, since you're used to the status-quo at Cherry Air.

cherry20's said:
... Just because it was old planes in crappy flying conditions I shouldn't be proud of working there?
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Those planes were old clapped-out pieces of $h!t when I was there, I can't imagine what they were like by the time you left. We all did what we had to do to get experience. I wouldn't be proud or ashamed of it either way.

cherry20's said:
... Ask any old Cherry pilot if they're not proud of having worked there... It builds character, that you earned!
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Again, I'm not particularly proud of it. But, you're right about one thing, Cherry Air is a stepping stone. A wobbly, moss-covered stepping stone in the middle of the rapids. Character is about all you earned!

"safety and professionalism"
IMO, the words don't exist in Cherry Air managements vocabulary.
 
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Cheery,
You must be that dumb ass that was flying a lear 25 and wearing a leather helmet 25 years ago ( for cherry).
Make sure to loosen the straps for the blood flow to run....
 
Yep thats me...
(pulls straps tighter)

Nice spelling BTW, Its CHERRY.
 
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993_Pilot said:
You don't need to educate me on how the company works, I started flying for them back in the early 90's when, Kenny Donaldson was just a dispatcher working for his dad. The captain had some say, the copilot really didn't. As a copilot, can you honestly tell me that you were happy with all the decisions the captain made, especially when you knew he was being pressured by the company? As a Captain, can you honestly tell me that they never attempted to pressure you into carrying a write up until you got back to ADS or to a contract MX shop? Can you honestly tell me that they never attempted to pressure you into taking less retail (high priced) fuel than you really wanted to take. Can you honestly tell me that they never played games with the duty/rest times? If you can, then they have changed, but somehow I doubt it.



No, it wasn't. Knowing Kenny Donaldson, it still isn't.
... or maybe your idea of good pay is a bit different than mine.



Well that is true, but perhaps going forward you're setting the bar a bit low, since you're used to the status-quo at Cherry Air.



Those planes were old clapped-out pieces of $h!t when I was there, I can't imagine what they were like by the time you left. We all did what we had to do to get experience. I wouldn't be proud or ashamed of it either way.



Again, I'm not particularly proud of it. But, you're right about one thing, Cherry Air is a stepping stone. A wobbly, moss-covered stepping stone in the middle of the rapids. Character is about all you earned!

"safety and professionalism"
IMO, the words don't exist in Cherry Air managements vocabulary.
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Big time thread drift here... Sorry for that!

It had definitely gotten a lot better in every category that you mentioned when I was there, 04-08. I was on track to make $85k plus my last year, is that bad in your eyes?!?

I was never pushed to do anything I didn't want to do and my Capt's never told me we were going "no mater what". Sounds like you guys should have grown some balls back then and said no a time or two like I did. Maybe they wouldn't have pushed you around so easily...

Besides, I couldn't think of a catchy screen name like 993_pilot, that's why I went with Cherry20... :rolleyes:
 
cherry20's said:
It had definitely gotten a lot better in every category that you mentioned when I was there, 04-08. I was on track to make $85k plus my last year, is that bad in your eyes?!?
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That's good to hear that things got better, but I bet they were still a long way from good. $85k/yr is not bad if you were a copilot, but pretty crappy for a captain these days if you ask me.

cherry20's said:
I was never pushed to do anything I didn't want to do and my Capt's never told me we were going "no mater what". Sounds like you guys should have grown some balls back then and said no a time or two like I did. Maybe they wouldn't have pushed you around so easily...
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FYI, I had plenty of "balls". Once when they pulled some of their typical crap, Kenny wouldn't even come to the phone when I tried to talk to him about it, so I walked off the job and left a lear sitting on the ramp because of the crap they tried to pulled on me. I've never looked back. Perhaps some of the FAA violations they acquired over the years, made them change their ways.

cherry20's said:
Besides, I couldn't think of a catchy screen name like 993_pilot, that's why I went with Cherry20... :rolleyes:
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First I have an ugly head, now I have a catchy screen name. My my you're clever.
 
Can we get back on topic now Mr. UglyHeadCatchyScreenName guy?

I really hate thread Hijackers! Sorry everyone...
 
Cherry,

You're opinion of others is perfectly displayed in your avatar... There's Texas and "Whatever". You want to stay on topic, here we go... Whether you've seen a lanyard or not recently doesn't mean scrap, and your opinion means even less. Your ignorance shines through! As an insider, I have seen just the opposite of what you apparently believe... I have seen guys that were once Koolaide drinking SFO's recently change their opinion about management and decide to catch up on their dues. Yes, there are still plenty who want to "fly low and stay under the radar" by not wearing their lanyards, but more and more of the few fence sitting pilots are waking up and realizing where management truly stands. Managements stall tactics , although frustrating, are hurting them worse than they realize. I hope not having a union works out for you at XOJet, but don't come in here and pretend you know anything about where the majority of the pilots at Flops stand.
 
Cherry thanks for your private message.... you wrote:

Wow, got some anger behind those eyes do ya...

Simply making a statement of facts as I saw it.
And no it wasn't in AMA at 0400. I wish the best of luck to you guys, I really do. You don't have to kill a sideline watcher for just making a comment.
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What you wrote was pure FUD and stay out of FLOPS business. When you get a little more wet behind the ears you will learn to keep your mouth shut!... By the way, don't you need to warm up your PIC's crew meal?
 
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Myster79 said:
Cherry thanks for your private message.... you wrote:

Wow, got some anger behind those eyes do ya...

Simply making a statement of facts as I saw it.
And no it wasn't in AMA at 0400. I wish the best of luck to you guys, I really do. You don't have to kill a sideline watcher for just making a comment.
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What you wrote was pure FUD and stay out of FLOPS business. When you get a little more wet behind the ears you will learn to keep your mouth shut!... By the way, don't you need to warm up your PIC's crew meal?
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hahaha
 
SecondSegment said:
Dude, Your Homer avitar looks like he just found out why prisons are penal institutions.
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Gee, another clever voice. Enlighten us all to how you know about this look?
 
SecondSegment said:
...Seriously, You should NOT be Busting any one here about their avitar.
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At least my avatar doesn't convey the arrogance of Cherry's.
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SecondSegment said:
Nice Avitar,
Wave Good Bye Gerry!!...
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Easy to talk about someone elses avatar when you don't even have the stones to choose one for yourself, isn't it?
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You can make fun of my Avatar all you want, it's just one of the stock avatars.
But, I'm curious, when you first saw that look on my avatar, were you the giver or the receiver?
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These juvenile attacks are so predictable here on FI and easy fodder... but I digress. Let me know when you are ready for some real debate.
 
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993_Pilot said:
Easy to talk about someone elses avatar when you don't even have the stones to choose one for yourself, isn't it?
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Too Childish. Just like most of posts from the authors. All Crap.

And besides, Now people (even you) will remember that when they look at your avitar. I does look like Ol' Homer is getting boinked.
 
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Yeah, it sure does...

SecondSegment said:
...And besides, Now people (even you) will remember that when they look at your avitar. I does look like Ol' Homer is getting boinked.
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... by Flops management !

SecondSegment said:
Too Childish. Just like most of posts from the authors. All Crap...
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Where you have contributed so much with your 13 posts? Gimme a break.
Like I said before, I'm ready for a meaningful debate... just let me know when you are.
 
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dime line said:
What your divorced for the 3rd time so you come here on FI and take out your frustrations?
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Dude, You have 978 posts and list your position as "Bent Over". More than likely, you are talking about yourself.

That was a serious question. What are the chances of an agreement?
 
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SecondSegment said:
... What are the chances of an agreement?
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I would say about 99%, because I think there is about a 1% chance that Kenn Ricci has a trick up his sleeve and would be willing to risk losing it all to get rid of the union. If that is the case, there probably isn't much that any of us can do to change it. I don't think he would be successful if he attempted it, but I still wouldn't put it past him.

A tougher question would be to try to give you an accurate time line. I think that the union is willing to come to an agreement with management, but we all know that management is stalling... and they are saving about $25,000/day by stalling, so it's no big surprise to most of us. I also think that the union negotiators and leaders are doing everything within the constraints of the RLA that are also consistent with acting in the best interest of the pilot group in their attempt to get a TA. There may be a few other tactics that could be used, but there also may be consequences to using them. What we want is a good contract with a viable and profitable company. Don't forget that we have a team of advisers helping us with the negotiations, and they will use all the legal tactics when, and only when, they are appropriate and legal. We are all frustrated with how long this is taking, but now is not the time to be second guessing your union leaders. We have come this far, and there is strength is solidarity. My suggestion would be to show some.
 
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SecondSegment said:
There is no chance what so ever that there will be an agreement with the IBT.

They will be replaced by an in-house.
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Who's going to lead this, you?
Why hasn't anyone approached me or anyone else I know about this "movement"?
How would it be funded without a strong national behind it?
Even Netjets, with their size, wasn't stupid enough to break away until after they had a good contract.
I thought you were ready for some serious discourse but personally I think you're either a dreamer, or more likely just spreading FUD.
 
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I love guys like this.

You throw numbers out there like you actually know what you are talking about? The Reality: You have no clue how many pilots or how much$$ There is absolutely no way that you could know!

The RLA is another famous reference that gets thrown around like people really do know what they are talking about. NONSENSE! It's a legal document that regularly requires layers and judges to interpret.

Nice try Homer. I think you just got boinked again.
 
SecondSegment said:
Dude, You have 978 posts and list your position as "Bent Over". More than likely, you are talking about yourself.

That was a serious question. What are the chances of an agreement?
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Dude, look at when I joined the board, and yea its been that long that I have been getting bent over. Sounds like you have been on your knees, so I guess no getting bent over for you.
To answer your question:
You and all of us had better hope there is a contract, there are only two outcomes to this process, a company with a contract or no company. Which one do you want? I know which one I want? Enjoy paying all of your back dues.
 
Guys, I think you should not debate this guy. In fact, as hard as it might be, I think you should all ignore him. Doesn't anyone wounder about the coincidence that this tool joined FI a year and a half ago. What else happened a year and a half ago? We got new management, and new people that needed to monitor these boards with new names. Why has he chosen now to start talking? Because we haven't given him anything to analyze. He wants to take the pulse of the pilot group and see if their tricks will work.

Don't start up a dialog.

Don't give him anything to analyze.
 
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