How many Delta Pilots thinking of leaving?
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There are two non-furloughed Delta pilots at Emirates. One was a Captain, the other a 767 F.O.TP
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av8er2 said:
FedEx is/will consider a current furloughed pilot on a case-by-case basis but WILL NOT consider anyone that is actively employed at another major...that I know of.
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PurpleTail said:
Why won't they consider any pilot who is currently employed at a major?
I guess I shouldn't even waste my time filling out an application when I get my 1000 PIC, eh?
So, who will FedEx consider? Do I have to quit the major I'm working for and go back to a regional making $17k/yr?
Seems a bit silly to not consider any current pilots from a major. Please explain, or try to explain, the reasoning behind this policy.
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I think this topic has been hashed out a couple hundred times here already. The simple answer is supply and demand and the preferences of the current Chief Pilot (who's in charge of hiring new pilots). FedEx has thousands of apps on file and they can set the bar where they want. As the equation changes, so will the requirements; same as SWA back in 1999-2000.
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Go ahead and get your online app filled out, get your 3 flying recommendations on the app, and wait - the requirements will change some day.
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I've heard they've added another disqualifier: anybody who's flipped any FedEx guy crap about crashing airplanes here on FlightInfo.com . . . .
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PurpleTail said:
Actually, that paradigm has shifted as well. We HAVE hired and ARE considering pilots currently employed by other major airlines. Specific backgrounds I have first- or secondhand knowledge of include Delta, Alaska and American. I think the standard disclaimer of "case by case basis yada, yada" still applies. Nonetheless, it is clearly no longer a disqualifier.
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I spent 30 minutes in my ACPs office three days ago wanting to bring a buddy in that has 1500pic(commuter guy), but he said the average guy right now has 2500 to 3000pic. He also said they like to see lots of updates on your resume and get as many FedEx guys to refer you as you can it makes a difference. You will hear of folks with less hours getting hired but they usually have some weight behind them (Smith, Lewis, or a 2 digit employee number) It does matter who you know.
What I found interesting he said he didn't like the furloughed guys. He didn't like giving someone a second chance (that didnt' choose FedEx in good times) when other guys haven't had a first chance. He also said he could walk in a new hire class and pick out the furloughed guys every time.
To back that up another buddy LCA on the 72 panel said they had been having attitude problems with furloughed guys going through IOE and that some of the LCAs were recommending they not hire the guys. So, if you are furloughed and get hired be happy, there are a lot (most actually) that chose FedEx for growth and job security when we could have gone to any airline. So acting like you've taken a step down doesn't go over very well. I'm sure most guys guys love it at Fred's place but it only takes a few to mess it up for the good guys out there.
What I found interesting he said he didn't like the furloughed guys. He didn't like giving someone a second chance (that didnt' choose FedEx in good times) when other guys haven't had a first chance. He also said he could walk in a new hire class and pick out the furloughed guys every time.
To back that up another buddy LCA on the 72 panel said they had been having attitude problems with furloughed guys going through IOE and that some of the LCAs were recommending they not hire the guys. So, if you are furloughed and get hired be happy, there are a lot (most actually) that chose FedEx for growth and job security when we could have gone to any airline. So acting like you've taken a step down doesn't go over very well. I'm sure most guys guys love it at Fred's place but it only takes a few to mess it up for the good guys out there.
ASSumptions
There are assumptions being made here that need to be quashed.
Just because someone flies for another airline does NOT mean they didn't want FedEx. As majors go (went), whoever hires you first, you go to.
If Joe Pilot wanted Fedex, but didn't know enough (or the right) people to get an interview, and in the mean time got an interview with, and hired by Delta, all of a sudden, FedEx is OUT of the picture because of the FedEx policy of not interviewing those working at an airline, NOT because Joe Pilot didn't choose FedEx in good time.
On the guys with the attitudes, too bad they weren't stopped in the interview process. We all know there are some clowns in our profession. It is hard to imagine somebody having a bad attitude in that situation, they must just be mad at the world.
There are assumptions being made here that need to be quashed.
Just because someone flies for another airline does NOT mean they didn't want FedEx. As majors go (went), whoever hires you first, you go to.
If Joe Pilot wanted Fedex, but didn't know enough (or the right) people to get an interview, and in the mean time got an interview with, and hired by Delta, all of a sudden, FedEx is OUT of the picture because of the FedEx policy of not interviewing those working at an airline, NOT because Joe Pilot didn't choose FedEx in good time.
On the guys with the attitudes, too bad they weren't stopped in the interview process. We all know there are some clowns in our profession. It is hard to imagine somebody having a bad attitude in that situation, they must just be mad at the world.
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If you want to fly for FedEx, send in an application.
Don't let some anonymous poster at Flightinfo talk you out of it.
Don't let some anonymous poster at Flightinfo talk you out of it.
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Mark me down as actively searching. Not that I want to leave, mind you. I just don't want to find myself furloughed again with no place to land.
And for those of you wondering about my background, I was hired by Delta in 2000 complete with the "welcome to the last job you'll ever have" speech. I spent 2.5 years on furlough and was recalled about 1 year ago.
And yes, while on the street I tried to reinvent myself outside of aviaiton. Try as I might, I could not convince myself to learn to love a desk. Indeed, I am a hard core, repeat offender and blame the airplane sickness on my parents (I am a 3rd generation aviatior with twisted DNA).
Most everyone in the bottom 1500 of the seniority list (not including the 475 actively furloughed) are in peril. I don't know how many are looking for a new line of work, but I can personally verify that recently there have been pilots with more than 7 years on the property who have quit and started over at Brand X.
For what it is worth, I believe there is a place for everyone in commercial aviation. As such, I would caution everyone to be nice to their first officer as they might one day swing gear for him at their next company.
And for those of you wondering about my background, I was hired by Delta in 2000 complete with the "welcome to the last job you'll ever have" speech. I spent 2.5 years on furlough and was recalled about 1 year ago.
And yes, while on the street I tried to reinvent myself outside of aviaiton. Try as I might, I could not convince myself to learn to love a desk. Indeed, I am a hard core, repeat offender and blame the airplane sickness on my parents (I am a 3rd generation aviatior with twisted DNA).
Most everyone in the bottom 1500 of the seniority list (not including the 475 actively furloughed) are in peril. I don't know how many are looking for a new line of work, but I can personally verify that recently there have been pilots with more than 7 years on the property who have quit and started over at Brand X.
For what it is worth, I believe there is a place for everyone in commercial aviation. As such, I would caution everyone to be nice to their first officer as they might one day swing gear for him at their next company.
