How about this for PBS at ASA

[Speedtape]

I don't want to come accross as a PBS cheerleader. Obviously there is a lot of savings in it for the company. And you guys should research it, and make sure you cross your t's and dot your i's. And make sure the parameters are written into your contract. Its just that PBS itself is not evil. And you can actually make it work to your advantage. There is a lot of flexibility, if you know how to use it.

It took me a while, but I prefer it over hard lines any day.

It seems that many pilots who understand it and learn the limitations prefer it over line bidding.

One explanation that I have heard is that the logic is defaulted to award all pilots a schedule that no pilot would ever bid. But, through the pilot's bid or preferences, the default logic can be averted if the pilot bids or shows preferences that are different than the default logic. An analogy being that it will drive you off a cliff if not redirected by a pilot bid or preference as a new guidance system.

So, in a sense, you have to learn to beat the machine--depending on bidding strategy, seniority, understanging what your seniority will yield, not being too restrictive, and as has been said, placing conflicting restrictions or so many that it will not allow the machine to process.

 

[PBRstreetgang]

Okay, so where do you get your information? FI? I go to the source and conclude on my own. I assume nothing. I know this..... that virtually every other Carrier we compete with has it, so we either 1) take a paycut or 2) welcome PBS. It's an easy choice for me.

Trojan

Brad installed the frozen Kool-Aid machine, huh? PBS is not a competition tool, it's a PROFIT enhancing tool, you tool! PBS is a PAYCUT, less vacation and sick time accrual, if you think Brad is going to give you increased vac and sick time accrual without a concession in exchange you are experiencing brainfreeze. You will trade PBS for increased accrual and end up with a net loss, you will work more for less, but you will be able to bid the day off for that NAMBLA meeting though.
PBR

 

[USCtrojan]

Brad installed the frozen Kool-Aid machine, huh? PBS is not a competition tool, it's a PROFIT enhancing tool, you tool! PBS is a PAYCUT, less vacation and sick time accrual, if you think Brad is going to give you increased vac and sick time accrual without a concession in exchange you are experiencing brainfreeze. You will trade PBS for increased accrual and end up with a net loss, you will work more for less, but you will be able to bid the day off for that NAMBLA meeting though.
PBR

It's because you have it, we have to have it. Maybe flying around 90 seats for 50 seat pay will work too. Thanks for drawing that imaginary line and raising the bar for everyone. It's either that, or a very real paycut. We have a Union that's backed by the RLA, that definitely helps when it's signed on the dotted line. Plus, it goes to a vote by the rank and file. My guess is, it will have a lot of benefits you never saw. Then it will be given to you, courtesy of the ASA pilots. Back to your kiddie porn activities coattail dragger.

Trojan

 

[79%N1]

How about in exchange for PBS, we negotiate the ability to drop portions of trips - or at least allow us to put portions into an open time pot. I think it's rediculous we didn't get that in this contract. Most airlines allow you to drop a portion of a trip, allowing many people to drop a round trip at the beginning or end of a trip. What does it hurt if someone picks it up, anyway?

 

[Speedtape]

How about in exchange for PBS, we negotiate the ability to drop portions of trips - or at least allow us to put portions into an open time pot. I think it's rediculous we didn't get that in this contract. Most airlines allow you to drop a portion of a trip, allowing many people to drop a round trip at the beginning or end of a trip. What does it hurt if someone picks it up, anyway?

Who would get the minimum day credit?

 

[79%N1]

Good question. I guess the only way that would work is the dropper forgoes the pay credit if he drops, and the person picking up just gets the credit for the block. Might not work with our crack payroll staff, I suppose, but it would be really nice to be able to do.

 

[SSDD]

That's one of those things you have to be clear on. At Skywest, if you drop a trip, or part of it, you forgo the pay unless you take vacation, or user time. Then the company puts it in open time for straight flight time pay, no premiums, or minimum guarantee.

If you work a trade straight across with somebody, where you assign the trip to them, then they get paid the whole amount.

 

[spudskier]

some days I would kill to be able to drop the last round trip and just go home... it's worth the pay loss. Especially if it was going to make my commute home easier...

OOOO How about more bases in exchange for PBS (I know, one has absolutely nothing to do with the other, I just want at least ONE other base)

 

[sweptback]

OOOO How about more bases in exchange for PBS (I know, one has absolutely nothing to do with the other, I just want at least ONE other base)

Be careful what you wish for.

 

[spudskier]

Be careful what you wish for.

Seriously!? ASA opening another base? When pigs fly... mgt is too scared/scared.

it's not even a negotiating tool! Just my crack-@$$ mind's way of working and wishing I never had to see Atlanta ever again.

 

[Speedtape]

That's one of those things you have to be clear on. At Skywest, if you drop a trip, or part of it, you forgo the pay unless you take vacation, or user time. Then the company puts it in open time for straight flight time pay, no premiums, or minimum guarantee.

If you work a trade straight across with somebody, where you assign the trip to them, then they get paid the whole amount.

Will you explain the straight across trade in regard to the whole amount? Define the whole amount, please!

Thanks

 

[SSDD]

Say I want to get rid of a trip that pays 13:25 for 10 hrs and 15 minutes of flying in two days. You want to pick that trip up, and are legal to do it, so you and I get together, I assign it to you, you pick it up for 13:25. Done deal. There is a feature in PBS that allows it.

But if I dropped it into open time, the company turns around and offers it for the flight time, 10:15. They saved themselves 3:10 in the deal.

 

[Stifler's Mom]

How about in exchange for PBS, we negotiate the ability to drop portions of trips - or at least allow us to put portions into an open time pot.

Denied, Low Coverage

 

[Speedtape]

Say I want to get rid of a trip that pays 13:25 for 10 hrs and 15 minutes of flying in two days. You want to pick that trip up, and are legal to do it, so you and I get together, I assign it to you, you pick it up for 13:25. Done deal. There is a feature in PBS that allows it.

But if I dropped it into open time, the company turns around and offers it for the flight time, 10:15. They saved themselves 3:10 in the deal.

Got it! So if I were to pick a trip up in open time that another pilot submitted, I only get block and no credit.

In the case where you place the trip into open time, I assume that you are still responsible for the trip until someone actually picks it up?

If the Company has time in open time, and you pick it up, do you get the credit then? Do you guys still get time and 1/2 for open time pickup of company posted open time?

 

[79%N1]

Denied, Low Coverage

ROTFLMAO!!!!!!!!!!