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[av8er2]

The most uncomfortable I have been is in those BIG full planes. The middle seat is great and not to mention getting on last and having to check my bag.

Those BIG planes are soooooo much better. NOT!

 

[Phony Marconi]

Who gives a rat's ass!?

If we get "200 CR900's", they'll still be flown at 50-seat-after-paycut pay.

What if Delta said Skywest was getting 200 B767-400s??

I bet you'd be siked to fly it at 50-seat pay!

The thrill would wear off in a week. I'd get to say "heavy" on the radio a few times, then I'd quickly get bored, quit, and go to Home Depot for a pay raise and a career.

 

[joe_pilot]

EEEEEWWWWWWW!

Yeah, sorry about that. I just typed in the first thing off the top of my head. Unfortunately, it is a real website.

Not even gonna try my second recommendation.

 

[Av8tor1]

If Delta is going to add any more regional flying its going to be CHQ EMB 170/190's

 

[Troy208]

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I heard that if Delta breaks the pilot contract Skywest will step in with up to 200 CRJ900's for Delta. I guess its a done deal just waiting on the legal stuff. I don't know sounds to good to be legit!!

Its sad that you find happiness in others misfortunes.
Its not too late to quit being a jackass
Be a man, retract your statement and apologize, and the next time please think before you post.

 

[Tomct]

I agree with Mr. AA and Fmrfreight! I would walk off the job as well! Anyone who revells in the misfortunes of others is a P.O.S! Go DALPA!!!

 

[superjet]

Wasn't trying to fire anybody up, wasn't even enjoying the fact people might loose their jobs. So I apologize. Truthfully I am a airline business economist and I overheard some pilots talking about this in the Denver airport a couple of days ago. I just wanted some feed back from the people who are in the industry, I am truly sorry for stiring up so much angst.

 

[capt. megadeth]

I am sure you can see now that that is a touchy subject.

Now, being an airline business economist.....do you have any contact with airline management? If so, go tell them to give themselves a 50% paycut and then maybe they may get some respect and morale may start to go up a little.

Wasn't trying to fire anybody up, wasn't even enjoying the fact people might loose their jobs. So I apologize. Truthfully I am a airline business economist and I overheard some pilots talking about this in the Denver airport a couple of days ago. I just wanted some feed back from the people who are in the industry, I am truly sorry for stiring up so much angst.

 

[FmrFreightDog]

At the risk of reiterating myself (I may have been drinking....)



If Delta walks, the connection carrier pilots MUST stand firm. Whether or not the strike is legal, we cannot allow ourselves to be used to as replacements in any way. I know a lot of you guys are new to this industry and fairly inexperienced when it comes to labor relations. There's one thing everybody must understand. Forget ALPA, Teamsters, SAPA, etc.... If we don't stick together as pilots, we are finished. Airline management counts on being able to split us up. They count on some people being weak. They know that if one labor group walks off the job, there will be plenty of pilots out there just waiting to fill a slot. Well, count me out. For me, it has nothing to do with being labeled a scab or worrying about my future career expectations. It has to do with the way I feel like I should treat other people. I WILL NOT stab another pilot in the back. I WILL NOT take up the slack for Delta if the mainline pilots walk. I REFUSE to look at myself in the mirror and know that I wouldn't support another pilot group when they had their backs up against the wall. This industry has gotten out of hand, and all we've got left is each other. Those of you who think you're doing yourselves a favor by cutting management a "short term" break (i.e. "Deal Brad an ace... you know who you are) are fooling yourselves. Right now we are all on a permanent downhill slide. Somebody has to stop it. At the moment, that burden has fallen on the Delta pilots. All of us need to be unified in our support of them right now. If your self-serving goals include waiting for Delta to walk so you can pick apart the pieces like vultures, count me out. I won't do it. If it comes down to it, I won't fly in an industry populated with people who will. I'll sell insurance before I allow myself to be caught up any further in the degradation of this profession. I've done this for too long to see it fall apart. I've got kids and a wife to worry about just like everybody else. However, I would rather never fly an airplane for a paycheck again than allow myself to contribute to the wholesale rape of the airline industry.

DALPA... Count me as one ASA pilot who stands firmly behind you. If it comes to it, I hope my coworkers have the guts to follow me out the door.

Give 'em hell!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[~~~^~~~]

PS, how come Duane didn't stop by ASA since he was in ATL Mon.?

Because ASA pilots are not real ALPA members to Duane Woerth. Besides, Duane is afraid someone like me might show up and ask some real questions about ALPA's Representation.

Anyone else notice that ALPA seems like it could give a Rat's hiney for a single carrier with SkyWest? I'm figuring ALPA doesn't want SkyWest, or ASA for that matter - ALPA is probably worried that the Regional guys might be able to hold a vote at the Executive Board and then it would be all over for the millionaires at ALPA Nat'l. ALPA would rather see E170's go to a Teamsters outfit like Chautauqua / Mid Atlantic / Republic than have those airplanes flown by ALPA members at one of the "non-preferred" carriers.

I expect the Delta pilots to hold the line - simply because they are willing to out Gulfstream First Officer a Gulfstream First Officer. Have you seen Delta's proposed 100 seat rates and the comments by the Delta pilots on this board regarding those rates? Heck, they are less than SkyWest's 50 seat rates. They are less than I am personally willing to fly those airplanes for. If the Delta boys have shiny jet syndrome that bad, they can have the cure.

Like I said before the Delta pilots sold scope. They are now trying to buy some back. The problem is that they are talking about "paying" management for it while they hope to bury their brothers.

This is ALPA's problem. ALPA has turned pilots into enemies who fight over every block hour of flying. This is all the result of ALPA's failed scope policy and the failure of ALPA to recognize the peril of alter ego replacement flying.

I don't look for Duane, or any other ALPA National millionaire, to stop for long in a place where an ASA pilot can ask him a question.

~~~^~~~

 

[joe_pilot]

Wasn't trying to fire anybody up, wasn't even enjoying the fact people might loose their jobs. So I apologize. Truthfully I am a airline business economist and I overheard some pilots talking about this in the Denver airport a couple of days ago. I just wanted some feed back from the people who are in the industry, I am truly sorry for stiring up so much angst.

Super, if that's true then I apologize for saying you spank it to www.hotgrannies.com.

I can't speak for everyone, but I think the thing that set me off was my (apparently) incorrect view that you were just trying to stir things up. A couple of things stood out:

1. You are a new poster
2. Your comment that it "sounded too good to be legit"

The last one was the clincher for me. Growing up in Oklahoma, I remember a typical spring afternoon and there were tornadoes popping up everywhere, tearing up houses. A newly hired, young meteorologist was covering the storm and when he was shown some "just shot" video of a particularly nasty F4 churning up a field, he made the mistake of saying on the air "ladies and gentlemen, that's just a beautiful site". Oops. On it's own, in a group of meteorologists, yes, maybe it was beautiful. To the family, who moments before had their 4th generation farmhouse destroyed by that same twister, the station manager and about a thousand angry viewers who called, the comments were inappropriate.

Just remember there are a lot of people on this board who will be directly impacted by Delta’s future, regardless of where it ends up. We don’t think its destruction is beautiful.

The meteorologist apologized and kept his job. So did you.

Forgiven and forgotten.

Take care,

-J

 

[Tomct]

Fmrfreight....Well Said! I like the way you think and I for one, would follow you! Somebody has to stop this slide...Go DALPA and any other pilot who would like to regard this as a TRUE PROFESSION!!! We MUST stand together whether we are Union or Non-Union!

 

[Jack Mehoff]

not sure how true it is but doesn't mesa have all the CRJ-900/905 orders for the next year and a half locked in? Thus no one else can get 900's for at least 18 months?

 

[Way2Broke]

Anyone who believes this garbage should click
here------> http://www.funnyjunk.com/pages/fool.htm

 

[TEXAN AVIATOR]

So correct me if I'm wrong, but that would make SKYW pilots scabs correct? Yeah that just sounds fricking kickass man!

 

[Dave Benjamin]

If DAL pilots go on strike there really isn't anything DCI carriers will be able to do to save mother DAL. Unless the strike is resolved in a matter of hours it's all over. Eventually other carriers will pick up the routes and a good portion of the feed. SKYW has a lot of money in the bank even after buying ASA so they will make it through. Overall there will be less capacity and less demand for feed. The LCC's that serve ATL will pick up some market share. Many of the DCI airlines have other codeshares so many of those pilots will stil be working, especially if their partner airlines go after the former DAL flying. It will be ugly.

Anyone who believes the post that started this thread needs a drug test.

 

[StarChk20]

Heard today that some/all retired delta pilots never got their Oct. pension. Don't know how true it is, but if it is, it really sucks for all of our futures.:erm:

 

[Crash Pad]

I think there is a large misunderstanding on this board. If Delta pilots go on strike it is over. It is over for DAL, ASA, Comair, and maybe even SKYW... They have some United flying but the furlough would still be big. The creditors that hold Delta afloat will cut and run the liquidation would be fast.

 

[Dave Benjamin]

I think you're right to an extent. Sadly for CMR it would be the end of the game. ASA being 100% DCI might no longer exist in a recognizable form. SKYW still has a substantial amout of UAX flying and could possibly press the former DCI aircraft into UAX service replacing Mesa in markets where UAL is dissatisfied with Mesa's performance. I think SKYW would have a smaller pilot group but the company would survive.

I am amazed that Beatty is still hearing the DAL BK case. She should recuse herself and seek counselling. From what I've read she sounds like a nutcase. No judge should speculate publicly on how they might rule on a case in progress.

 

[Bluto]

Dave, do you have any links to the judge's speculation? I'd love to read some of it.

 

[synchoff]

I heard that if Delta breaks the pilot contract Skywest will step in with up to 200 CRJ900's for Delta. I guess its a done deal just waiting on the legal stuff. I don't know sounds to good to be legit!!

Similar rumor floating around Mesa. 85 CRJ 900's. I remind you, Mesa has a TON of options for the CRJ 900 that it can exercise . . . .

My guess . . . Skywest will get some, Mesa will get some. That way when contracts are up for renewal, they can play the vendors against each other. They're not gonna let their nuts be put in a vice like when the Comair guys went on strike ever again.

Don't shoot the messenger . . . I'm merely a conduit to MAG rumor central . . .

 

[captain caveman]

Can anyone explain to me why anyone would be happy to fly a 900 at a dci carrier? We will do it for low pay (Mesa,CHQ) or 50 seat pay (Skywest) or maybe if we're lucky 70 seat pay for now (ASA). Is it because it's just a bigger airplane? I can't think of how it's good for anyone.