1st, please don't call me son; you are insulting my mother. I ask you to go back and find one post where I suggest that I roll to the end when I land. Show me where I posted that. Come on, where did I write that I roll to the end when I land? It is very rare for me to do that. That is the problem with the board, people read posts, then selectively choose what they want to respnd to instead of absorbing the entire post. What I said is that I am not going to check up to exit a runway. I land the same way each time:
REF +10 a mile out
Over the fence at REF
Mains touch: Reversers to Idle Deploy and Extension of Ground Spoilers
Nose wheel touchdown: Reversers to Full Reverse (I do this so the power is there if I need it)
As the Engines start to Spool: Reduction of Reverse Thrust to a setting appropriate for the given conditions and tap the brakes ever so slightly to make sure they are available
60 Knots: Reversers to Idle Deploy and 1st use of brakes
At this point and only at this point am I now going to be receptive to exiting instructions. I think the afore mentioned technique is not only efficient, but a good use of the equipment. I let the reversers do the work and the work well, but at no time am I suggesting rolling to the end just to do it. If the technique I use cause me to have to roll to the end, then I have to roll to the end. But some controller wanting me to exit at a place convienent for him is not something I am willing to do unless it can be accomplish within the boundaries of what I have just described. I'll help him anyway I can, but making a hasty exit just to do it is silly. Someone else mentioned what if I was the one that was having to go around. Ok, so I had to go around. So what? I can assure you that he'd much rather me do that than take a chance with his safety and that of his family. You guys think you are doing the boss a favor by being cowboys, when in reality, if he know what was going on up there, you'd be looking for work. If your boss is getting pissed off because you have to go around, then you are the one that should be looking for other work. Finally, as for standing on the brakes sooner (at a higher speed) is the worst thing you can do. I am going to assume that you know the faster you are going when you press the brakes, the more heat you are going to produce. So go on, use those brakes right after the mains hit as you are suggesting, and see what happens when you really need them. You might just FADE away right off the end.
Ace-of-the-Base said:
Another point that F/O and others should consider is safety. Is rolling to the end safe? If you push the brakes a little harder and stop earlier on the runway, you will be in a much better position if there is a problem. Studies have shown that one of the biggest dangers to a jet airplane is high speed while on the ground (runway). If Hawker F/O is really looking to be conservative and safe, he should stand on those brakes a little harder and get his plane slowed to a safer speed sooner. Also, is it safe to sit on an active runway? When I call in #1 for takeoff, I'm ready to go. I don't want to waste any time sitting with my blind side to landing traffic.
Yes, son, slower is not always safer. If you can't move quickly when you need to, you might want to consider a different business.
Ace
I even tried looking it up.
