LRDRVR, ironically you call yourself a "Safety Consultant" and suggest my use of as much runway as I deem fit is foolish? Are you kidding me?Poor planning on someone else's part does not constitute an EMERGENCY on my part. There was a controller that wanted a pilot to make a Xing restriction that would have meant a 5K/ft min decent. The pilot told them he was unable. The controller said, "Don't you have speed Brakes?" The pilot's response, "Those are for my mistakes, not yours!" BAM! And he was right to say that, if are suppose to be a professional, and you can't plan better than that? Tough, don't look to me to inconvienence my passengers with a sh#tty ride because of planning that was not done as it should have been. He wasn't going to do it, and neither will I.
LJDRVR said:
I don't know you sir, so I'll phrase my response carefully to avoid you focusing on the tone of my message in lieu of the issue.
You seem to be asserting your PIC authority with a healthy dose of chest-thumping, all the while ignoring the physics and reality of what's really occuring. As a rule, controllers will not "bother" you during the initial part of your touchdown and rollout without a really good safety of flight reason to do so.
"Hawker 01B, plan minimum time on the runway, landing traffic behind you."
After hearing this you are going to ignore the controller? (It's not your runway as long as you need it.)
In fact it is my runway. As long as I am on it with permission to be there, you better believe it is mine to use at my discretion in a normal operating environment.
LJDRVR said:
You would rather have the jet behind you execute a go-around, flying directly over you in the proccess, than get on your brakes (Your boss isn't PIC) and make the next high speed? (With the traffic safely behind you.)
No, my boss is not the PIC, you are right. But I am paid to keep his best interest in mind, fly safely, and perform in a maner reflecting the professionalism of the orgizanation. If the plane behind me has to go around, then tough sh#t. The controller should not have spaced us so closely together. Look, I dont hog the runway rolling out to the end each time I land, but it will be a smooth deceleration and normal exit from the runway. No sharp turns or abrupt braking just to satisfy a controller that is trying to squeeze in as much traffice as possible. I'm sorry you do those type of things, but in my opinion, and that's all it is, my opinion, slamming on the brakes to try to make a turn cause there is someone on your 6 is not my problem and my employer is not going to suffer a financial penalty (faster wear on the brakes due to excessive braking) just becasue of poor planning.
Aircraft are designed to perform in the air, not on the ground. It's not a sports car.
LJDRVR said:
So the guy behind you has to perform a low-altitude go-round, mangling their peep's connections and screwing up the crew's schedule all because your wealthy boss's budget doesn't include an extra penny for brake usage above and beyond a liesurely roll to the end and/or because you lack the will or facilities to multi-task during your landing rollout?
Is there such a thing as a high altitude go around? Once again, my concern and obligations are to the people aboard the aircraft which I am piloting. I don't give a dam# about the airplane behind me. If I am concerned about someone else behind me, then I am taking attention away from my aircraft, and I am simply not willing to do that. It is a shame you are. You also mentioned an additional penny for brakes. That lets me know how involved you are in your operation. A pair of carbon fiber brakes costs 100K. No 2 ways about it. 100K. Those are not pennies, at least not where I come from. You can't go to Auto-zone and buy a pair of $75 brakes. It's not a car. It's not some lesiurely rollout. When we are safely slowed, we then start making plans for an exit, but not a second before that. A controller has no idea what I am doing insdie my cockpit, what I am having to deal with, or what it is that I am capable of. With that in mind, if you think of a second that all controllers wait until you are at a crawl before they tell you to exit, you need to put the crack pipe down. Hawkerf/o instructs the Lear Driver: Quit sucking the crack pipe and put it down. I landed in TEB this morning, and even with all the construction, they still are barking exit instructions when I have not even slowed through 90Knots. Is that making sure there is a really safe blah blah blah or whatever it was you said? As a rule of thumb, when I stow the reversers, then I am open to the controllers request for exiting. Anything said by him before that will be met with silence or "unable", as he is talking to himself; You see, I am too busy providing a safe end of the flight for my PAX, keeping their safety and that of mine in check. You should try employing some of the same tatics.
LJDRVR said:
Doesn't sound remotely professional to me. I'm not being sarcastic when I ask you: are you really serious about this? I certainly hope not.
Infact I am serious and when you shear a tire off the bead and slide it in the grass trying to comply with a controllers instructions, you'll be wishing you had done it differently as you are getting shown the unemployment line!
