Hmmmmmn!

[texman]

First: I am guessing you don't have a bachelors degree?

Second: We are pilots not entrepreneur's!

Third: Each legacy has 10,000 apps on file. Obviously if you don't have a bachelor's degree you will not be competetive for the next 5-10 years. End of story.

I do.

Yes we are pilot's and not an MBA executive's.

I guantee some pilots will be hired without a degree.

Point is you seem a little hard up about it, and would look down on a pilot that doesn't have a four year. Your no better.

 

[HowardBorden]

Aviator82,

Can you explain why some of the greatest entrepreneur's don't have a 4 year let alone a 2 year degree? They have showed a lot dedication and busted their butt too. While I am not nocking education, but I knock the pilot world for looking down on others that may not have one.

Entrepreneurs don't rely on someone else to believe in their ability or dedication. Entrepreneurs have nothing to prove to others since they are self starters that rely on themselves for talent and innovation. If you are an entrepreneur pilot you would be starting your own airline, not relying on a hiring board to access your skills and abilities. I'm not trying to "look down on others." I am simply stating that possessing the requisite skills to obtain a degree is a highly sought after accomplishment when selecting a new hire that may not necessarily use any of those university learned skills while carrying out the duties that a candidate was hired for.

 

[Dan Roman]

Some of the best pilots I have known did not have a degree. They had the maturity and skills to strike out on their own and start flying right out of high school and were flying complex aircraft at a younger age than most. However, for many, the extra four years of being in a controlled environment before entering the workforce is a good thing. On the other end of the scale, a pilot a pilot who thinks that were they went to college is important can often be a little weak.
That said, I would think having a degree will make getting hired at a major a lot easier then if you didn't. But no question about it, little you learn in college is of any value to a pilot.

 

[sat74]

A 4 year degree and reasonably good grades are an indicator of how successful someone can complete the accelerated initial training curriculum. They don't care how good a pilot you are, as long as you can fly it exactly the way they want you to at the end of 2 months training.

Having multiple type ratings on Boeing, Airbus, MDs etc and a solid career progression also is a good indicator of succeeding in the same type of training curriculum every other airline teaches... Show up for class, cbt, lunch, war stories, cbt, sim, repeat... It's not rocket science. My god.

 

[Flopgut]

I have a graduate degree. Education is a data point for hiring, absolutely. And I have used my education. But getting carried away with a degree's importance is not a good thing. I know I don't care to see anymore 250 hour interns from aviation schools get hired. I'd rather fly with a high school dropout with some flying time.


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[glasspilot1]

Does having a degree make anybody a better pilot? I don't think so. Some of the best pilots I have flown with don't have a four year. It is called practical experience.

It's not about hiring a "better" pilot. It's about drastically reducing the height of the pile of resumes on the Chief pilots desk. In other words, it's a "filter".

When I was interviewing back in the late 80's all the majors required, or "strongly suggested", a 4 year degree. The only one that didn't was USAir.

With the new FAA experience rules coming soon, the 4 year degree "filter" would be one to drop to increase the supply of qualified candidates.

 

[likeitis]

A 4 year degree and reasonably good grades are an indicator of how successful someone can complete the accelerated initial training curriculum. They don't care how good a pilot you are, as long as you can fly it exactly the way they want you to at the end of 2 months training.

I wonder how on earth airlines like Lufthansa, BA, KLM, Qantas, Emirates, Iberia, Singapore, etc. even get pilots through training with a 4 year degree being the exception and not the rule within their ranks.

I haven't really come across anything in 21 years of flying that requires anything past a 9th grade education. Now thats not to downplay the job because there are many traits and talents needed that if aren't natural can take some hard work to perfect. Not everyone has the ability, determination or patience to develop these skills.

 

[Fliteidol]

I`m all for education. Personally I have 18 years of education........I did the ninth grade twice. Over to you Pilotyip!

 

[Dumb Pilot]

I wonder how on earth airlines like Lufthansa, BA, KLM, Qantas, Emirates, Iberia, Singapore, etc. even get pilots through training with a 4 year degree being the exception and not the rule within their ranks.

That is what I find silly about the requirement (or desired) degree in the US. They just want a degree, it doesn't matter what in....???? I don't know of any other career that would hire you based on a completely unrelated education to the job you will be performing.., that alone tells you that it is a box to tick and not really that important. I personally think that an education in their academy, getting trained and educated in the trade you will be performing is the logical way to go, the concept of you being a lawyer, civil engineer etc. will give you any lead into being a better pilot is just senseless....!

 

[PBRstreetgang]

Just wondering, that's all, I guess I am a conundrum. It took me 5 years to get my degree in a non aviation subject and graduate with a 2.2 GPA, but when I went to my aviation trade school at the community college I graduated with a 4.0GPA and perfect attendance.
I do think it is a filter and a holdover from the military days and Officer's Country.

 

[boxjockey]

First: I am guessing you don't have a bachelors degree?

Second: We are pilots not entrepreneur's!

Third: Each legacy has 10,000 apps on file. Obviously if you don't have a bachelor's degree you will not be competetive for the next 5-10 years. End of story.

That's funny. I work at one of the most highly regarded airlines in the world, and I don't have a college degree. I believe that a college degree is absolutely meaningless WRT being a professional pilot. One of the greatest fleecings ever conjured in this world is the private university four year degree here in the US. I hope my children become plumbers or electricians, instead of spending 120k to be a barrista at Starbucks. The younger generation in this world is screwed by their seniors. No other way to put it.

Box

 

[densoo]

Generally parents are just trying to do what's best for their kids.

The unemployment rate for college graduates in April 2013 was a mere 3.9 percent, compared with 7.5 percent for the work force as a whole, according to a Labor Department report released Friday. Even when the jobless rate for college graduates was at its very worst in this business cycle, in November 2010, it was still just 5.1 percent. That is close to the jobless rate the rest of the work force experiences when the economy is good.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/05/04/b...en-through-recession.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0

Adults with bachelor's degrees in the late 1970s earned 55 percent more than adults who had not advanced beyond high school. That gap grew to 75 percent by 1990 -- and is now at 85 percent.

http://www.bizjournals.com/bizjourn...earn-85-more-than-those-without.html?page=all

Exceptions to the rule will always exist.

 

[Hardcorr]

Engineering Degree. Masters degree. Feel like a huge waste of time. Do these companies get a break on insurance hiring overly educated employees?

 

[Hardcorr]

Who would you hire?

 

[PBRstreetgang]

Who would you hire?

Me.....
Bright, but not too bright, dashing good looks, and my deodorant smells like success....

 

[eaglesview]

Degree shows the ability to learn. Shows motivation and commitment. The airlines prefer the degree because they can. They are doing the hiring they call the shots. Pretty much end of story.

 

[Ty Webb]

If you had a Bachelors Degree you would understand why it should be required.

It's not just about the education; it's about showing dedication and busting your butt for 4 years straight to accomplish something that is considered "huge" in our society.

It's not a $ thing. There are 2 things in life that people will never regret spending money on: Their Kids and their University Degree.

I think you are submitting your stool sample waaaay too early, kid.

Sheesh. Be sure to share your theories to the Interviewers. I am sure they will find them most insightful.

:laugh:

 

[Candide]

Before you root for this profession to shed any remaining college degree requirements, please reflect on how that may impact future wages and benefits.

Also reflect on how the term itself, "profession," strongly implies completion of an advanced degree.

 

[Dumb Pilot]

Before you root for this profession to shed any remaining college degree requirements, please reflect on how that may impact future wages and benefits.

Also reflect on how the term itself, "profession," strongly implies completion of an advanced degree.

So by that logic the pilots at British airways or KLM (just a couple of examples) are not professional aviators? And if they get a degree in dentistry, then they will become professional aviators?

 

[Beefy Botham]

That's funny. I work at one of the most highly regarded airlines in the world, and I don't have a college degree. I believe that a college degree is absolutely meaningless WRT being a professional pilot. One of the greatest fleecings ever conjured in this world is the private university four year degree here in the US. I hope my children become plumbers or electricians, instead of spending 120k to be a barrista at Starbucks. The younger generation in this world is screwed by their seniors. No other way to put it.

Box

Well said!