Hiring Forcasts at NJA

[gunfyter]

Hopefully all senior to # 367.

 

[wanttofly]

I have a steak dinner riding on 100 being gone by the first quarter. Not sure how many will leaver right away, but I am sure alot will leave the first time they get frustrated with management.

 

[hydrarkt]

I don't think that it will be that many. Hope I'm wrong though

 

[Diesel]

230 is my number.

Add winter, deicing, loading bags, and well it makes the choice pretty easy when you're planning on leaving in only a few months anyway.

 

[captain dad]

I am new to NJA and still very gung ho. I don't know why anyone would want to leave NJA but I know attrition is inevitable. I asked about the expansion. One person put it very well. The situation is very fluid and changes on a daily basis. There are mulitple a\c on order that will both replace existing a/c and expand NJA. There is some attrition due to retirements and some to other jobs will be coming with the airlines starting to hire soon. In short things change but growth has been promised. With the trend starting to swing to the favorable side of the industry, expansion and growth is a shoe in. I was told for sure 350 for next year minimum. You do the numbers for the a/c on hard order and we are looking at 4000 plus by 2010. Just hope for more a/c sales and bigger equipment. I think 5000 is a very reachable number. Bring it on baby!!!

 

[HAZ-MAT]

Wow, 230 would be great! I've flown with 5 XL pics that told me they're leaving after the 2nd installment. Lets just hope that there are more leaving out of more fleets and those 5 guys I flew with know 25 other people that want to leave at the same time!! I'd love to see 230, but I'd also be happy with 100. Me thinks the "Mayor" knows more than me!! Cheers :beer:

 

[charley varrick]

You guys laugh but I know of SEVERAL who have made "other plans" quite some time ago and have been waiting for the proper time... money in hand.

My guess is that at least 200 leave by June of 2007. Any takers?

From your mouth to God's ears! But, I'm thinking it will be less than 100. I'm a little short on cash, however I'd be willing to wager a shiny new watch

 

[Taildraggaah]

For what its worth attrition currently averages 8/month. With the second dispersment of the bonus, we will see some sort of increase (I'm not even going to guess).

Also, a 1 1/2 ago when I was hired they said in indoc that the plan was 300-500 a year for the next 5 years. I know things can change and that is old information but for what its worth...

 

[gunfyter]

I heard we would only hire maybe 300 total for duration of the contract. But that was in 2004

 

[Cavpilot]

I don't know why anyone would want to leave NJA but I know attrition is inevitable.

NetJets has hired a lot of retired airline pilots in the past 3 years. Most of these guys only had about 5 years of work left in them when they came on board. So it is only natural that many of them will be calling it quits. The other factor is that for new guys having to commute under the current domicile system totally blows. I believe that these are probably the two largest factors driving the attrition rate. The silver lining is that new guys are moving up the seniority list at breakneck speeds.

 

[FLYLOW22]

From your mouth to God's ears! But, I'm thinking it will be less than 100. I'm a little short on cash, however I'd be willing to wager a shiny new watch

The wager would depend on which watch model you have.

Are you wagering:

The one that sounds an alarm at every 14 and 10 hour interval?

or

The one that stops at 23:59 every 7th day?

 

[FLYLOW22]

For what its worth attrition currently averages 8/month. With the second dispersment of the bonus, we will see some sort of increase (I'm not even going to guess).

Also, a 1 1/2 ago when I was hired they said in indoc that the plan was 300-500 a year for the next 5 years. I know things can change and that is old information but for what its worth...

I was going to be a B737 Captain last year too making $200,000 a year according to one of my indocs in the past! imp:

Ah the uniform collection...

 

[FLYLOW22]

I heard we would only hire maybe 300 total for duration of the contract. But that was in 2004

Yeah! That rumor was so false it wasn't even remotely believable.

I like those... they make me chuckle at how stupid management thinks we are sometimes.

 

[Diesel]

My 230 is over a year and a half. I think 50 will leave right off. Another 50 a couple of weeks later and then dribs and drabs to add up to a total of 230.

Just my uneducated guess.

 

[gunfyter]

I say 150 total next year leave. 100 normal attrition... plus 50 who held out for the Retro payment

 

[LePlane]

I have been told this by a rather reliable source though I can't say who...
The long term goal of the company is 1000 airplanes and between 5000 to 7000 pilots. That will be the cap and no more expansion.

 

[charley varrick]

The wager would depend on which watch model you have.

Are you wagering:

The one that sounds an alarm at every 14 and 10 hour interval?

or

The one that stops at 23:59 every 7th day?

No, no, no! This model has the FRDA auto-timer. It beeps at the 5th hour, and then vibrates at the 6th hour. After that, simply place it near your ear and listen to the mechanized melody of money!

 

[FLYLOW22]

No, no, no! This model has the FRDA auto-timer. It beeps at the 5th hour, and then vibrates at the 6th hour. After that, simply place it near your ear and listen to the mechanized melody of money!

You mean they actually gave you a valid FRDA by hour 2 negating the need for the 1 hour/2 hour communications??!!??!!

Mechanized melody of money? Does that sound like the Pink Floyd song?

 

[Diesel]

This is the most common mistake with FRDA that you sit for 5 hours and then call them....

Its a 1hr 2hr call. Not 5hr6hr call.

Thought about it some more and did some research on the senority list. My magic number is now 86 in 2007.

 

[RNObased]

My 230 is over a year and a half. I think 50 will leave right off. Another 50 a couple of weeks later and then dribs and drabs to add up to a total of 230.

Just my uneducated guess.

Diesel,
Your number may be close. Accoding to some people in the puzzle palace, they have the number at 240 next year. How they came to that number is how old the guys are, how they have their vactions placed. And number of sick days in the bank, and how much they have in been stocking away in their 401k.

The thinking is that the guys will take the bonus. Vactions Jan, Feb, March, with sick days used to keep from going on the road, then when they run out of sick time and vaction and the thought of a 4am show in TEB is too much to deal with, they will give notice. The person I spoke with says a spike in Jan and a spike in April. Now this comes out of the puzzle palace so take it for what it worth. I personally know 10 guys who are gone next year.