Hiring Forcasts at NJA

[d91papa]

It's probably been discussed in another thread....
I've heard 5000 pilots, I've heard no more than 3000 ....so any good rumors?
The Hawker 4000, the Excel, Sovereign, and G200 aircraft are being delivered so it looks like the fleet is still expanding...

 

[Willy21]

Don't forget the 18 Hawker 900's starting in '07.

 

[fly4funcrj]

last I heard, 400-450 each year until 5000 on property..

 

[hopalong]

last I heard, 400-450 each year until 5000 on property..

I heard the same thing. However, I think they are only hiring 350 for 2007.
Hopefully, it will be 450.

 

[RCA]

I'm a NJA hopeful, whats with the 5,000 number? Seems like an awful hard number in a very fluid buisness.

 

[Mach92]

I'm a NJA hopeful, whats with the 5,000 number? Seems like an awful hard number in a very fluid buisness.[/QUOTE

I don't even know how that number got going. 3000 by the end of 2007 is a solid number. By 2010 I could see NJA closer to 4000. Business is strong right now but the company wants to control the brand.

 

[jonjuan]

I'm a NJA hopeful, whats with the 5,000 number? Seems like an awful hard number in a very fluid buisness.[/QUOTE

3000 by the end of 2007 is a solid number. By 2010 I could see NJA closer to 4000. Business is strong right now but the company wants to control the brand.

How is 3,000 a solid number? Says Santulli? Remember, there will be many Ultras getting up on 8-10 years of age as well as a few CXs that will be leaving the program-otherwise, welcome to FLOPs and their 15 year old aircraft. Unlike an airline, many aircraft and resulting owners have to leave when their airplanes leave. "Business controlling the brand" is a euphamism for slowing growth. If they really wanted to control the growth and operational problems associated with fractional growth, they would cut off the 25-hour MarquisJet program in an instant. Instead, the MarquisJet program is growing faster than they ever have.

 

[Ultra Grump]

If they hire 350 next year, we'll be right around 3000 pilots. 11/14 company seniority list shows 2601 pilots.

 

[RCA]

All of you guys who post on this forum are half the reason I want to leave the regionals. If I asked a similar type question on the regional board the first response would be some imature remark about underbidding everyone or SJS.

 

[gordon24]

Spoke to Linda L. personally when I was in cmh last week for training. She said they have not been told to slow down hiring. Straight from her mouth, "Anywhere between 250-500 pilots next year." There ya have it.

 

[notaNJApilot]

If they hire 350 next year, we'll be right around 3000 pilots. 11/14 company seniority list shows 2601 pilots.

Don't forget about attrition.

 

[RNObased]

Don't forget about attrition.

That is the million dollar question, how many will we lose during the course of next year??? I have heard numbers from 240-400, depends on who you talk to.

 

[Diesel]

I'm guessing 230.

 

[Guitar Guy]

If they really wanted to control the growth and operational problems associated with fractional growth, they would cut off the 25-hour MarquisJet program in an instant. Instead, the MarquisJet program is growing faster than they ever have.

They have, in the past, stopped sales of cards for the Excel when those got oversold. And in trying to shift the workload, in some instances, a potential card buyer had to accept a certain portion of hours on a 400XP, which isn't oversold...

At recurrent last fall, we were told that Marquis was the engine driving the company at that time, in terms of revenue and growth.

 

[Ultra Grump]

Don't forget about attrition.

I didn't, but I figure attrition won't be too much higher than the number hired between 11/6 (#2601) and 12/31.

 

[notaNJApilot]

More than 100 have quit to date in 2006. I would expect that number to be higher in 2007.

 

[hopalong]

That is the million dollar question, how many will we lose during the course of next year??? I have heard numbers from 240-400, depends on who you talk to.

I keep hearing that 350 will probably retire because they are waiting to
get that extra $16k in their next paycheck.

 

[Fozzy]

Ya, could you imagine 350 pilots retire on December 22nd!!!
"Thanks for the money and the silver watch. Merry Christmas, I quit."
There will be a few.


Might be a few more extended days up for grabs.

 

[hopalong]

Ya, could you imagine 350 pilots retire on December 22nd!!!
"Thanks for the money and the silver watch. Merry Christmas, I quit."
There will be a few.


Might be a few more extended days up for grabs.

LOL, too funny.

 

[FLYLOW22]

You guys laugh but I know of SEVERAL who have made "other plans" quite some time ago and have been waiting for the proper time... money in hand.

My guess is that at least 200 leave by June of 2007. Any takers?

 

[gunfyter]

Hopefully all senior to # 367.

 

[wanttofly]

I have a steak dinner riding on 100 being gone by the first quarter. Not sure how many will leaver right away, but I am sure alot will leave the first time they get frustrated with management.

 

[hydrarkt]

I don't think that it will be that many. Hope I'm wrong though

 

[Diesel]

230 is my number.

Add winter, deicing, loading bags, and well it makes the choice pretty easy when you're planning on leaving in only a few months anyway.

 

[captain dad]

I am new to NJA and still very gung ho. I don't know why anyone would want to leave NJA but I know attrition is inevitable. I asked about the expansion. One person put it very well. The situation is very fluid and changes on a daily basis. There are mulitple a\c on order that will both replace existing a/c and expand NJA. There is some attrition due to retirements and some to other jobs will be coming with the airlines starting to hire soon. In short things change but growth has been promised. With the trend starting to swing to the favorable side of the industry, expansion and growth is a shoe in. I was told for sure 350 for next year minimum. You do the numbers for the a/c on hard order and we are looking at 4000 plus by 2010. Just hope for more a/c sales and bigger equipment. I think 5000 is a very reachable number. Bring it on baby!!!

 

[HAZ-MAT]

Wow, 230 would be great! I've flown with 5 XL pics that told me they're leaving after the 2nd installment. Lets just hope that there are more leaving out of more fleets and those 5 guys I flew with know 25 other people that want to leave at the same time!! I'd love to see 230, but I'd also be happy with 100. Me thinks the "Mayor" knows more than me!! Cheers :beer:

 

[charley varrick]

You guys laugh but I know of SEVERAL who have made "other plans" quite some time ago and have been waiting for the proper time... money in hand.

My guess is that at least 200 leave by June of 2007. Any takers?

From your mouth to God's ears! But, I'm thinking it will be less than 100. I'm a little short on cash, however I'd be willing to wager a shiny new watch

 

[Taildraggaah]

For what its worth attrition currently averages 8/month. With the second dispersment of the bonus, we will see some sort of increase (I'm not even going to guess).

Also, a 1 1/2 ago when I was hired they said in indoc that the plan was 300-500 a year for the next 5 years. I know things can change and that is old information but for what its worth...

 

[gunfyter]

I heard we would only hire maybe 300 total for duration of the contract. But that was in 2004

 

[Cavpilot]

I don't know why anyone would want to leave NJA but I know attrition is inevitable.

NetJets has hired a lot of retired airline pilots in the past 3 years. Most of these guys only had about 5 years of work left in them when they came on board. So it is only natural that many of them will be calling it quits. The other factor is that for new guys having to commute under the current domicile system totally blows. I believe that these are probably the two largest factors driving the attrition rate. The silver lining is that new guys are moving up the seniority list at breakneck speeds.