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[FarginDooshbahg]

ANYONE who would advise a 15 yr old to NOT get a college education, regardless of what their chosen field might be, is simply an idoit and has ZERO credibility to be taken seriously on ANY subject.

Really. Telling a 15 yr old that college is not necessary. YGBSM.

I agree with the rest of the posters here. Your "college is not necessary" BS is really, REALLY tiresome. Go find another tree to bark up.

 

[Colby]

Alright guys. Don't start flaming at each other. I can see that an argument is fixing to start. I'm shocked though you've kept calm. The ones that are encouraging me to go to college. Yes, it looks good if you have a degree but I'm not sure if I want to go to college.

Colby

 

[pilotyip]

Way to go Colby

Smart kid, he not falling for all this "be like me crowd". He wants to fly airplanes, that alone will make him sucessful. Many of you may not measure his future jobs as a success, but he will be flying an airplane and living his dream, what else matters. Anyone, I mean anyone can make it in aviation if thier desire is to fly.
Coby, I would recommend you talk to an Army recruiter about the High School to flight school program, if you have your Private when you graduate from High School, it will give you a leg up. The Army flight program will mark you as a true professional.

 

[Colby]

Well, I don't know. If it is about trying to get me into the Army then no. I enjoy flying. Aviation, flying, it's all a passion! If I could fly every single day, I would!

Colby

 

[pilotyip]

Army

Colby just giving you options, the Army just like college is not for everyone. It is an individual choice.

 

[Colby]

I understand. Thank you for your comments guys, really appreciate them.

Colby

 

[bobbysamd]

More Kit propaganda

Just got my latest Air Inc it now up to 166 companies hiring and only 4 require a degree.

So, get the degree and be qualified for all 166!!

Still, being eligible to work for only 166 companies when there are zillions of qualified pilots vying for these jobs are horrendous odds.

 

[bobbysamd]

Aviation career planning

Alright guys. Don't start flaming at each other. I can see that an argument is fixing to start. I'm shocked though you've kept calm. The ones that are encouraging me to go to college. Yes, it looks good if you have a degree but I'm not sure if I want to go to college.

(emphasis added)

The benefits of being educated aside, that is really the point. Ask your Netjets friend; professional aviation is an extremely competitive business with far more available qualified people than available jobs.

One more point needs to be emphasized. Pilots do not always have control over their credentials. Luck plays a big part in getting the most advantageous jobs, and, in that regard, one cannot control one's fate. In other words, one is not always in the right place in the right time, e.g. getting a Metro job at 18 to build enough time to work for Yip at age 20, so it has to be made up by hard work and persistence. However, such things as presenting the best certificates and educational credentials, i.e. college, are within everyone's control. There, one does control his/her fate, and one should act accordingly.

Hopefully, the one thing you've gotten out of this discussion that an aviation career requires significant amounts of commitment, organization, planning and money. Failing to do the first three will likely cause a significant loss of the fourth.

Good luck with however you proceed.

 

[flybrowntails]

This is great!

I love to check out this site. "Uh, don't go to college..." I really love it.

(phone rings) "Hello" "Hey its me--the year 2004"

This is one of my favorite debates to read- 'splain to me again why getting an education is a bad thing?

Make it convincing, please, so I can use it with my kids. "Baby girl, its cool-no college for you because... (insert convincing remarks here...)

fbt

 

[pilotyip]

Education?

As stated by Bobby quoting Mark Twain, paraphrased, college and education are not necessarily the same thing. The story of my brother in law and his $200K/hr income as a Muffler Shop owner; no degree, but he got an education at an auto motive trade school. Served him well. A pilot without a degree, who went through military flight training got a fantastic education in aviation. I have interviewed enough degreed pilots’ applicants to state the opposite is also correct. They have degrees, but appear to have no education. The degree does not lead to a skill that produces a job. Education and a degree are separate attributes of learning.

 

[bobbysamd]

Sheepskin v. its equivalent

As stated by Bobby quoting Mark Twain, paraphrased, college and education are not necessarily the same thing. The story of my brother in law and his $200K/hr income as a Muffler Shop owner; no degree, but he got an education at an auto motive trade school. Served him well. A pilot without a degree, who went through military flight training got a fantastic education in aviation . . . .

. . . but might miss out on opportunities.

Chuck Yeager is an example. Gen. Yeager had only a high school education before he joined the AAF. Yes, he was at the right place at the right time in 1947 as a test pilot at Wright Field, which won him the opportunity to fly the X-1. The Air Force sure provided him great training as a test pilot. However, Chuck Yeager lost out on being one of the first astronauts - because he did not have a college degree. Not that he cared, necessarily, but point made.

Here again, Yip pleads exception. Don't count on being an exception. The odds are against you. Get the degree, and level the playing field.

 

[Colby]

Sorry guys I can't take this.

Colby

 

[flybrowntails]

I reread my post and it's a bit sharp. Degree or not--I guess that is the question. I suppose everyone has a story to share--both sides of the debate.

For me--my work uniform would not be brown and gold if I didn't have it. Who would have known--why limit yourself early on.

fbt

 

[Colby]

It's not that I'm wanting sympathy for saying this. But I don't think these forums are for me, sorry.

Colby

 

[Wolf King]

what a fine bunch, you guys are arguing about college while Colby is strapping himself to the shower head with a belt. Come on, Colby hang in there!