Hey XJET guys...

[bigshooter107]

Is all of this a result in AA declaring bankruptcy? I thought the others were doing okay?

Asa/skywest/xjet does not fly for AA........ Yet.

 

[wms]

Is all of this a result in AA declaring bankruptcy? I thought the others were doing okay?

It's the result of our senior mgmt not minding the store during the merger, letting our performance slip as a result of the middle-management incompetents in the GO, and DAL taking some flying and 14 planes as a result. They talked about cost, but the reality is DAL sent us a painful message to get our house in order and performance up.

 

[resetjet]

Some recent new-hires at Expressjet have been told they can go to the ERJ now or the CRJ in April. This from someone who interviewed recently.

What base would that be for? I don't see it happening unless there is some serious growth on the CRJ side

 

[Max Q]

If they go to the CRJ, they are required to sign an agreement to be furloughed every September for the duration of their employment.

 

[TDK90]

Wow. Where to start...? Ok how about this isn't about "us" before "you". It's about "you" riding our negotiating coattails and then being handed growth while "we" furlough. It's about securing a brighter future for all of us employed by SkyWest. Its really about the bigger picture; something you clearly don't see.

Also; before you go mouthing off about spiky hair and entitlement you should know your audience. Most of us are well into our 30s and early 40s. We have things like wives, and children, mortgages and car payments. And that sir, makes this one list drive all the more important.

A lot of SkyWest guys are for one list.., it's the senior guys here who are against it, mainly because they don't understand how it would work and they're scared they might get displaced out of their super senior domiciles. Also they have the "I've got mine mentality"....

I imagine we'd see some furloughs as part of the F&H playbook but to get 5000+ pilots with one voice would be worth it...IMHO.

The ORD crews have lost a considerable amount here already since XJT got here, not that there's bad feeling against them, but it's a fact our lines in ORD have been cut in half.

What would it take to get one list? We basically have the same interchangeable jobs, can a combined XJT/ASA list file a single carrier petition to bring the SkyWest pilots into the fold?

We know it's embarrassing to be grabbing on to your coattails as well..a lot of us would like to be negotiating with you..

 

[Master Shake]

@ TDK90 - Great post. I'm in favor of a union that will represent all of us equally. Basically I want an in house union like IPA at UPS or APA at American.

 

[XPOO]

Wow. Where to start...? Ok how about this isn't about "us" before "you". It's about "you" riding our negotiating coattails and then being handed growth while "we" furlough. It's about securing a brighter future for all of us employed by SkyWest. Its really about the bigger picture; something you clearly don't see.

Also; before you go mouthing off about spiky hair and entitlement you should know your audience. Most of us are well into our 30s and early 40s. We have things like wives, and children, mortgages and car payments. And that sir, makes this one list drive all the more important.

SkyWest Airlines growth is directly proportional to its' profitability. Why the heck would INC want to give the unprofitable airline more flying?

 

[resetjet]

If they go to the CRJ, they are required to sign an agreement to be furloughed every September for the duration of their employment.

This would be hilarious if it wasn't so true!

 

[XPOO]

Why is ExpressJet complaining about growth, anyways? SkyWest has 315 planes, while ExpressJet now has 405.

 

[TDK90]

@ TDK90 - Great post. I'm in favor of a union that will represent all of us equally. Basically I want an in house union like IPA at UPS or APA at American.

Thanks..How would that play out with your current ALPA representation? Would it require a decertification of ALPA? The main argument here against the independent union is that the cost would be prohibitive, but when you have all 5000 pilots paying dues it would be a different ballgame..

 

[Thebadcat1313]

Thanks..How would that play out with your current ALPA representation? Would it require a decertification of ALPA? The main argument here against the independent union is that the cost would be prohibitive, but when you have all 5000 pilots paying dues it would be a different ballgame..

7500 if you include SkyWest Airlines.

 

[wms]

Decertification of ALPA isn't gonna happen. There are benefits of having ALPA on the property like aeromedical and legal that in house unions don't do as well. Also, the boys club style association that Skywest currently has just doesn't get the job done.

You have to understand that we've had the type of mgmt that doesn't care about agreements, rules or regs and we need the advocacy of an organization that will fight hard when necessary.

The ASA mec has not been tough enough in the past, but hopefully with the e145 guys here we will have some representation that will fight harder.

 

[FishandFly]

Decertification of ALPA isn't gonna happen. There are benefits of having ALPA on the property like aeromedical and legal that in house unions don't do as well. Also, the boys club style association that Skywest currently has just doesn't get the job done.

You have to understand that we've had the type of mgmt that doesn't care about agreements, rules or regs and we need the advocacy of an organization that will fight hard when necessary.

The ASA mec has not been tough enough in the past, but hopefully with the e145 guys here we will have some representation that will fight harder.

There is enough negativity about alpa here that I think most people would vote for an in house union option.

I believe that one list would result in a group that would move forward our qol in a levelheaded and effective way.

 

[TEXAN AVIATOR]

Alpa isn't the problem. Think of it like a big corporation that sells franchises and supports those franchises when needed. Each pilot group runs their 'franchise' EX - XJT MEC, ASA MEC, CAL MEC, DAL MEC. You run your MEC how you see fit. If we got rid of ALPA you'd still have the same guys in those union offices doing the work. If you want to change things, the name won't fix anything... Get rid of the guys you elected and the MEC chairman they elected on your behalf. Getting rid of ALPA is a statement guys make when they don't know what they are talking about. Costs would go up, and most likely we'd see no improvements.

 

[Plainsman]

Are you on some alpa committee that gets you out of flying? Sounds like it.