Hey Guys! I have an idea of how to expose management, and have somone fight for us

[Ace757]

How about we pay visits to our Senators??

 

[Captain Overs]

Ace,

Bill is a freaking idiot! I find it funny that he's on this Xmas kick and then there was an advertisement for his products and they were listed as "Holiday" gifts. MSNBC callled him out and then Fox quickly changed it. Do you know how accurate Bill is? Have you ever heard even a broken clock is right twice a day? Nobody give Bill any credibility and if you think they do you're mistaken. I can't believe you're that worked up over it. Get a life.

 

[pilotyip]

I am not talking about the 18K guys, that is low, but it is a starting pay and no one forced into the job with a gun at their head. The $100K figure is a far shot from $18K. Only 5% of the people watching Bill make more than that, there will be very little public support for people making$100K+./yr working only 17-18 days per month. That is the reality. About the 777, any professional pilot properly trained could fly the 777 if an upstart airline decided to start flying it. Again that is reality, anyone can do this job with a touch of skill and desire. Again that is reality. But we do not deal witih reality on the site.

 

[embraerjetpilot]

YOur Kidding me right... you mean Nazi News.. yes, this news channel is nothing more than propaganda from the Nazi (oh i meant republican) party... Yes, I compare Bush to Hitler invading other countries when they didnt threaten him.

 

[Crash Pad]

I agree with contacting Bill. Once the public hears about the problems being faced in Peachtree City GA and Edina MN... The outcry will be unbearable. I'm picturing a nation wide flight embargo for the holidays. People will be forced to only fly airlines with fair pay... or equal pay for equal work or one in which management doesn't treat the contract as a grab bag.

 

[pilotyip]

crashpad, again out of touch with reality

 

[GoingHot]

I agree with contacting Bill. Once the public hears about the problems being faced in Peachtree City GA and Edina MN... The outcry will be unbearable. I'm picturing a nation wide flight embargo for the holidays. People will be forced to only fly airlines with fair pay... or equal pay for equal work or one in which management doesn't treat the contract as a grab bag.

:laugh:

 

[CA1900]

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[Flopgut]

Ace: You're all mach and no direction. Thats OK though, at least you are something.

Maybe better to try something like this: Have ALPA call for a wholesale managment change at all ALPA carriers. Every single management team at ALPA/legacy carriers should go. There is plenty of evidence to support this idea. The target audience is Wall street and shareholders. The only thing they hate more than labor is losing money. And these clowns running our carriers sure know how to lose money! The only thing they know how to do is beat the crap out of labor which creates the illusion that they are doing something good for investors. ALPA needs to illustrate this to investors and Wall Street. Show the labor cost advantages that are now part of the UAL contract and quantify the monetary give backs that DALALPA has given (two examples), then insist we need to know what these managements did with the money.

ALPA needs to push future policies from the outside. For instance, we need to have a variety of merger intergration scenarios already in place before they become reality. That way, management's ability to pit one group against another is moot.

If ALPA will not do this, or listen to us, we need to replace ALPA. We may already have reached that need.

 

[Chuck Yogourt]

How about putting a bunch of whinning Delta pilots on Oprah along with Ty Webb. The Delta pilots can bitch about only making $100,000 a year and Ty can brag about it. Sounds good to me.

 

[maru657]

O'Liely would care about the working conditions of U.S. pilots about as much as he cares for the problems of servicemen in Iraq. Never count on a ChickenHawk to support veterans. Chris Mathews is more concerned with his 5 million doller home on the beach in Cape Cod than taking on a major industrial power, especially when he works for someone just like them and his fat salery depends on him keeping them happy. Limbaugh just wants more hillybilly herion and Scarbrough wants another good looking young intern to waste. Give me Imus anyday.

 

[pilotyip]

flopgut what a great idea, you should form a team to go out and find the new management talent needed to bring back the "good ole days", talk them into working for the same wages you do, work with them to build the perfect airline, then go to the stockholders and show how much more money their stock will be worth with the new managment team your group has put together. It is a win win for everybody except the present managment.

 

[Ace757]

I really didn't mean for this to be a Democrat vs. Republican thing. Think what you want of Oreilly, but he has the # 1 news show in the world, and thats a fact.

Alright....so you guys seem not to like that idea, but we need to do something. Complaining on this board about what has happened to this industry won't help anything. We must take action. For gods sake, lets do something. If ALPA is not representing you, kick them off of your property and form something else.

My big problem with all of this is US (the pilots). We let ourselves get beaten down time after time without standing up for ourselves. if some guy came up to you and decked you in the face would you say "I must have deserved it.....thank you very much sir.....I will go crawl in my whole now." NOOOOO!!! You would beat his ass. So start acting like men people.

 

[Metro752]

Stern was on O'Reilly and they got along.

 

[Captain Overs]

Who says he's number one in the world? Oh, I'm sure he does or the Faux network and we all know we can believe everything they say. "Fair and balannced". Next your going to tell me we were justified invading Iraq.

 

[GoingHot]

Give me Imus anyday.

I thought he was dead? Oh!, my bad, he just looks dead.

 

[Brett Hull]

...Only 5% of the people watching Bill [O'Reilly] make more than that....

And the other 95% have better things to do than sit in front of the TV and scream "Yea Bill! Get 'em!"

 

[GogglesPisano]

If O'Reilly turns the idea down, I recommend trying Ann Coulter. She's much more level-headed and fits in quite nicely with the Fox team. She may even goose-step in with her SS uniform.

And there's always that bastion of journalistic integrity known as Geraldo.

 

[CA1900]

I really didn't mean for this to be a Democrat vs. Republican thing. Think what you want of Oreilly, but he has the # 1 news show in the world, and thats a fact.

McDonald's is the most popular restaurant in the world. Do you honestly believe that's because it's the best? Of course not. It's tasty, easy to get, and comes in a colorful package. But afterwards, you feel sick to your stomach for having consumed it. It's a lot like watching O'Reilly, really.

 

[mar]

Listen up Joey

So start acting like men people.

You're an RJ FO. You're pretty new to the scene.

If you had any hair on your balls at all you'd have already suffered two or three furloughs.

They're a fact in this industry. Inevitable. The stupid pilot is never prepared for the furlough and then screams bloody murder.

If you had been around long enough you'd realize the damage done to this industry has been systemic and suffered over many years.

It's something that can't be changed by some impulsive silly reaction. It's like a compulsive over eater who's gone on a diet.

It's taken years to get this fat and it'll take many years to loose it and get back in shape.

Good luck.