Hey General

[iballdriver]

here's a splitting-the-hair question: what action will trigger the strike? will it be the judge ruling in favor of mgt? or will it occur if the judge rules in mgt's favor, and then management taking the action of throwing out the contract?
good luck,
bc

 

[warbirdfinder]

Delta managment does not have the expertise or intelligence to pull off having a "secret" training center. As soon a people began interviewing and training, the word would be on the street in less than 24 hours.
Delta trains under a very strict set of FAA guidelines, to short circuit or cutback the programs in any way, shape or form would require FAA approval. A new training sylabus would have to be developed, proven and then submitted for approval. The FAA would study it, return it to Delta for corrections, Delta would resubmit, etc. It takes months and months for changes to be approved. With no checkpilots, there are no TOE's or IOE's.
The company does not have the financial resources (deep pockets) or time to train thousands of pilots.

 

[SKYMASTER]

Delta Pilots are right. They will strike if their contract is rejected. I'm surprised the judge and Delta management are waiting until the deadline. There may be a handful of scabs; but it will be a worthless endeavor, as scabbing always is.

 

[blzr]

The General must be out on a trip! Yall just wait till he gits here and spits right in your eyes.

I can't wait till tomorrow to hear his remarks to the na-sayers out there in flt-info land.

Go git'em General Lee

 

[ACAFool]

Looks like the grammar/spelling police are alive and well. Since you only have 3500hrs you probably don't even remember Eastern Airlines. You see tough guy Eastern went on strike and the airline crumbled quickly. The guys in the left seat at Delta probably have vivid memories of EAL birds parked all over the ATL airport. They ain't going on strike, period!

You obviously did not even read the post you are commenting on. No grammar or spelling police here. I am saying when people end their sentences with the WORD period it is usually arrogance. Such as there will be no strike, PERIOD!. It implies that is the end of the debate for I have spoken. Not sure what the relevance is but I now have a lot more than 3500 hrs now, and I do remember the Eastern strike very well. There are few things one can really be sure of in this world and if you really believe you can be this sure than the third sentence of this post definitely applies to you.

 

[CitationLover]

Looks like the grammar/spelling police are alive and well. Since you only have 3500hrs you probably don't even remember Eastern Airlines. You see tough guy Eastern went on strike and the airline crumbled quickly. The guys in the left seat at Delta probably have vivid memories of EAL birds parked all over the ATL airport. They ain't going on strike, period!

you need a history lesson too it appears.

lorenzo RAPED EAL into the continental fold (hell he charged them millions to use THEIR OWN reservation system).

the mechanics union (not the pilots) forced lorenzo into the game and borman to sign off on selling to the anti-christ. lorenzo, like the greedy vulture he was, swooped in and grabbed as much as he could. EAL at that point was doomed. no pilot action would save it.

 

[Uppercrust]

This thread reminds me of buzzards around the meat wagon. Give it some time. I wish the DAL guys the best.

 

[GogglesPisano]

If they do strike and succeed in killing Delta I can only hope that the thousands and thousands of other employees hunt them down and beat the living crap out of them.

May their criminally selfish, rotted, souls burn in hell.

So naive. If they strike it will be because the revoloving-door management through out their contract. Do you cast no blame on management?

 

[HS125]

you need a history lesson too it appears.

lorenzo RAPED EAL into the continental fold (hell he charged them millions to use THEIR OWN reservation system).

the mechanics union (not the pilots) forced lorenzo into the game and borman to sign off on selling to the anti-christ. lorenzo, like the greedy vulture he was, swooped in and grabbed as much as he could. EAL at that point was doomed. no pilot action would save it.

Actually, if I remember correctly, the unions went to Lorenzo and asked for Texas Air to take over EAL to keep EAL flying. It was later when Lorenzo wanted concessions from the IAM that the IAM decided to strike.

 

[737 Pylt]

If they do strike and succeed in killing Delta I can only hope that the thousands and thousands of other employees hunt them down and beat the living crap out of them

Shouldn't you be flying turns around a point numb nuts?? Sounds like you know alot about having the crap beat out of you.....Surprise!

May their criminally selfish, rotted, souls burn in hell.

Boy, the genius speaks. Hell is what the last guy went through after a date with your sister!
I'm sure that rock you crawled out from under is begging for you back, now run along dumb dumb!
737

 

[HarryParatestes]

If they do strike and succeed in killing Delta I can only hope that the thousands and thousands of other employees hunt them down and beat the living crap out of them.

May their criminally selfish, rotted, souls burn in hell.

Criminal? Selfish? Rotted souls burn in hell? What is criminal about not wanting to take a pay cut? What is selfish about not wanting to give up your retirement? Why would you say something like this other than to start flames and show your jealousy for guys who have better jobs and lifestyles than you.

 

[FlyBoeingJets]

Isn't the Ca not flying as F/o's a contractual thing? If they get to a strike I would assume that the contract would be thrown out and that Ca can fly as F/o's............

Southwest has Lance Captains. They get an F/O line and could fly in the right seat all year long if they wish. Then they get a PC in the left seat.

The advantage? They can pick up Captain pairings if they can get rid of their F/O pairings.

 

[cl65capt]

Boy, the genius speaks. Hell is what the last guy went through after a date with your sister!737

Not to split hairs but it was probably a bottle of penicillin that he went through.

On another note, good luck to all Delta pilot and their families.

 

[CitationLover]

Actually, if I remember correctly, the unions went to Lorenzo and asked for Texas Air to take over EAL to keep EAL flying. It was later when Lorenzo wanted concessions from the IAM that the IAM decided to strike.

what i was talking about was allowing Texas Air to buy EAL. EAL wanted a 20% cut from the IAM (everyone else had taken a 20% cut), they wanted a 15% cut and Borman's job (which he volunteered to resign). The board didn't give Borman up and they sold to Lorenzo.

 

[fifty30retard]

you need a history lesson too it appears.

lorenzo RAPED EAL into the continental fold (hell he charged them millions to use THEIR OWN reservation system).

the mechanics union (not the pilots) forced lorenzo into the game and borman to sign off on selling to the anti-christ. lorenzo, like the greedy vulture he was, swooped in and grabbed as much as he could. EAL at that point was doomed. no pilot action would save it.

Wow such a fun board this is. I know the history very well but thanks anyway. Go fly your little Citation around.

 

[kngarthur]

history!

How about this theory!!! I just made it up myself. DCC's keep running while all of Delta's airplanes are sold to Mesa/ CHQ/ Skywest, or somehow transferred over. The contract is rejected and all the DL pilots are terminated and all flying does to the DCC'S, technically not placing the SCAB label on anyone? Or would they be scabs? Basically the regionals take over!!

 

[warbirdfinder]

Or this theory: The DL pilots sign a last minute deal to do all the Delta flying, even the DCC flying. The DCC's all file for bankruptcy and the DL guys win out! The regionals are ancient history.

 

[HarryParatestes]

Or this theory: The DL pilots sign a last minute deal to do all the Delta flying, even the DCC flying. The DCC's all file for bankruptcy and the DL guys win out! The regionals are ancient history.

Aint going to happen. They'll sign a last minute deal alright and choke down the humble pie Grinstein feeds them. At 28,000 hrs and all the experience you claim, you might want to take the lump sum retirement and run for the beach.

 

[johnsonrod]

Aint going to happen. They'll sign a last minute deal alright and choke down the humble pie Grinstein feeds them. At 28,000 hrs and all the experience you claim, you might want to take the lump sum retirement and run for the beach.

Yeah, that's why the DAL pilots have been cleaning out their lockers and preparing their strike checklists. Sure.... Seriously, you are an idiot if you think the DAL pilots are going to back down now...

Again, I'll say this slowly so that you can understand: the difference between the Management position and the pilot position is something like $180 million - that's not enough to make or break an airline... It's called exploitation and everyone knows it. If Management was in dire need - it would be negotiating and it ain't. If the incremental difference between the positions was $750 million we would be talking a different story. Get it?

Management needs to get back to the table (they haven't been there) and work out a compromise because it sounds like this exploitation ain't gonna fly...

 

[General Lee]

Aint going to happen. They'll sign a last minute deal alright and choke down the humble pie Grinstein feeds them. At 28,000 hrs and all the experience you claim, you might want to take the lump sum retirement and run for the beach.

I like your avatar. Anyway, no more lump sum retirements are offered. And, we won't sign off on a TA that doesn't stop the pay cuts, that doesn't give eventual stap backs, that doesn't leave our scope ALONE, and one that doesn't give more credit for the pension loss. Sorry. No humble pie gonna be eaten here. DCI will close if we do.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[General Lee]

Honestly, I want to hear your opinion of what is upcoming.

Well, I think we are serious about a strike if the contract is thrown out. We just got checklists for how to abandon an aircraft if a strike is called while we are at the gate before pushback. I would say they are serious. And, we won't sign off on a TA that suks. I think this will get nasty, and it will be interesting to see if DL management continues to not negotiate. Our ex-judge---Judge Prudy--said the Federal Courts would NOT enjoin a strike, and then asked our CFO "what does the RLA (Railway Labor Act) have to do with any of this?" He was speechless.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[Mercyful Fate]

General

Question about those checklists..

Are there instructions on how to avoid getting killed by either rampers/gate agents/passengers when trying to escape the terminal with your life if you abandon your aircraft?

Just a thought....

 

[Buckaroo]

I like your avatar. Anyway, no more lump sum retirements are offered. And, we won't sign off on a TA that doesn't stop the pay cuts, that doesn't give eventual stap backs, that doesn't leave our scope ALONE, and one that doesn't give more credit for the pension loss. Sorry. No humble pie gonna be eaten here. DCI will close if we do.


Bye Bye--General Lee

Time to call up all of my investor buddies - The number of Peachtree City mini-mansions going on the foreclosure auction block will be astounding!!!

 

[banned username 1]

Hey Delta Guys-

I know what you're going through isn't in the least bit enjoyable- niether is reading all this stuff either. Whatever happens, my hat's off to you. Anyone who has gone through something remotely like this understands.

Best of luck in whatever you do.

 

[General Lee]

General

Question about those checklists..

Are there instructions on how to avoid getting killed by either rampers/gate agents/passengers when trying to escape the terminal with your life if you abandon your aircraft?

Just a thought....

YES, there actually are instructions about that. It was a sobering, yet entertaining read. Thank gawd I lift weights.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[General Lee]

Time to call up all of my investor buddies - The number of Peachtree City mini-mansions going on the foreclosure auction block will be astounding!!!

You are right. The whole metropolitan area of ATL will tank. You can bet Sonny Perdue (the Governor) and the Mayor of ATL don't want that to happen. I bet they are calling Grinstein hourly.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[blzr]

Sitting here watching the news at those ILLEGAL protesters in ATL. Some news babe just said that if Delta strikes, Cheech and Chong are redy to step in and...... Wait a minute. I think my antihistamine is playing tricks on me.

Nevermind

 

[Buckaroo]

You are right. The whole metropolitan area of ATL will tank. You can bet Sonny Perdue (the Governor) and the Mayor of ATL don't want that to happen. I bet they are calling Grinstein hourly.


Bye Bye--General Lee

Ya think they might be calling Woerth and Moak as well?

 

[SKYMASTER]

I am amazed that other employees would think they have the pilots to blame.

Delta Management is toying with the lives and careers of the employees of Delta. Delta Pilots have already given major concessions. The act of completely disregarding the pilot contract is completely irresponsible and irrational.
If Delta employees don't want the company shut down, they should ask management to continue to negotiate concessions to survive rather than declaring martial law and demanding ridiculous labor conditions. Simply put, Delta Air Lines will continue to fly if management will think rationally. The strike will happen ONLY if management allows it to, just as it has happened at every other failed airline.

 

[CFIT]

YES, there actually are instructions about that. It was a sobering, yet entertaining read. Thank gawd I lift weights.


Bye Bye--General Lee

If you idiots really need a "checklist" then you are over paid.

"I lift weights"

When you go back and read this crap that you write, are you embaressed?

If not, then I guess that's what the checklist is for........