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Hawkered

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They're leaving...tons of 'em are going!!

We're not going to get the quality of people to run this place the way they say it is being run now in our advertising.

The airline windows are opening again in March!!

GET ON WITH IT!!!
 
I agree, they need to reach an agreement and get the entire company back on track.

The floodgates at CMH have been open for quite awhile now and we've lost hundreds of very knowledgeable and talented people, unfortunately the EMT doesn't seem to care. They see the turnover as an opportunity to replace the people leaving with high school graduates with no aviation experience so they can save a buck. That's the mentality we are all facing right now.

Service is declining and from my perspective NJ is coasting on its reputation.

As I said in another thread, if I was negotiating, this would have been solved a long time ago.
 
Well American are now hiring 50 a month!! They just also hired a 57 year old!!

We're going to be parking aircraft!!

We need to get on with it!!
 
Hope you understand, that's what your management wants. New hires cost less and think your current contract is great.
 
Until they park aircraft and can't book simulator slots for initial.
 
Hope you understand, that's what your management wants. New hires cost less and think your current contract is great.

el raton is right, the current management believes that people leaving is a good thing. they get rid of the malcontents and replace them with lower paid new hires. they could care less if service suffers.

hawkered - you are correct that this is a terrible development for the company. the new hires don't know or understand what it means to deliver exceptional service. They will never have the dedication of the people that Santulli hired and trained to deliver that level of service.

unfortunately this EMT is populated by short term thinkers who don't care about the long term prospects for NJ. They will collect their paychecks and bonuses based on this years results, not what happens to NJ 5-10 years from now. And when NJ falters, they will punch out and move on to other companies that they can run into the ground. (Or in Jordan's case, maybe into politics where he can ruin many more lives than he can at NJ).

Buffett has lamented this philosophy in the past and called for changes to management compensation, but I don't see him doing anything to fix it at NJ right now...and we are suffering because of it.

This short term thinking will cost us many times over down the road. The people that leave tend to be the best people with the most options. Their replacements don't have the same level of commitment to NJ, let alone the talent, knowledge, and experience in what it takes to deliver an exceptional product.
 
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When G4 Dude is looking for work .... we know we're screwed. :D

When he starts walking a picket that's when we know things have gone to hell.
 
Why wouldn't you stay?

Serious question I'm interested why so many are leaving.

To beat the rush. The way management has run the place there might not be much of a company left.
 
Delta to hire up to 1500 pilots in 2015.... Just one airline drawing from the Netjet's well of highly qualified pilots.
 
G4 must be crying in his milk, now that there is no longer an NJI savior on the EMT....welcome to our world, finally.

How will he spin this to being the union thug's fault?
 
Why wouldn't you stay?

Serious question I'm interested why so many are leaving.

NJA is still a pretty good job, but not as much fun as it was, so I am looking for a good corporate gig. The vituperative union stuff depresses me as well, and NJA management is rather inept in some ways. Too many lawyers and accountants. Maybe I am better off elsewhere. Then I won't be hated by the Diesels of the world. :-)
 
NJA is still a pretty good job, but not as much fun as it was, so I am looking for a good corporate gig. The vituperative union stuff depresses me as well, and NJA management is rather inept in some ways. Too many lawyers and accountants. Maybe I am better off elsewhere. Then I won't be hated by the Diesels of the world. :-)

I don't hate you.

I do think you're un informed, and your pre conceived notions about the union make you think that your right.

Especially since you think being a scab is an option and even think thoughts about being one.

Honestly if you go to a corporate job it will be the best thing for you and the union. One less spineless pilot willing to accept less so they can have "fun".
 
Walmart corporate is hiring. Seriously. It's non-union, which should be right up your alley.


And they stopped sharing hotel rooms so that is a big plus.
 
But guys like g4dude want to do it for fun. But not fight for better because that's no fun.
 
I am truly sorry to hear that. I have been at it for more than 40 years and 30,000+ hours and still love every day.

Bob

Love and fun are two different things.

i love what I do. But love doesn't pay the bills.

Take for instance the company says we are industry leading and considers soft money on top of our salary.

401k match- actually very good.

Per Diem- That is how I eat. They get us crew food to keep the planes flying so lets not kid ourselves.

Holiday Pay- No holiday pay for me due to my schedule.

Supplemental Duty pay- I don't get that either.

Extrended days/after midnights- Don't even have 1 last year

Hourly Overtime- Very very rare.

PTO day payout- Never been paid out my entire career.

Vacation payout- So keep working and not go on vacation? Why don't i just sleep in the plane. Nope never have paid out.

Longevity bonus- Ummm what?

http://teamnetjets.com/wp-content/u...-Pilot-Total-Compensation-Breakdown-Large.jpg

So that is what the company thinks about our compensation. Look at all the extra money you get..... Hmmm that sure helps out my 6 years of pay cap. LOL
 
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Yep. As long as you never get sick, never take a vacation, get an SDP job, and work the kill-yourself 18-day schedule. Oh, and count per diem as part of your salary. Where do I sign up?! :puke:

Exactly just work harder and you'll have all you want.

Where have I seen that before.

Dammit can't post pictures lol.
 

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