Hewlett-Packard Flt. Dept.

[RampTower]

At their job listings, I noticed that they (re)posted their "Pilot I" position as of 12/15/05. Before that, there was a post as of 10/22/05. So what exactly does that mean? Did they not interview/hire pilot(s) for the 10/22 posting so they needed to repost the same position? Just wondering if anyone here knows the inside scoop.

 

[av8tortype]

At their job listings, I noticed that they (re)posted their "Pilot I" position as of 12/15/05. Before that, there was a post as of 10/22/05. So what exactly does that mean? Did they not interview/hire pilot(s) for the 10/22 posting so they needed to repost the same position? Just wondering if anyone here knows the inside scoop.

My gut says they probably made a few offers but were turned down after pilots realized the cost of living in Silicon Valley.

 

[AA717driver]

They've lost 6 of 21 pilots in the last 6 months. Not because of cost of living, either...TC

 

[Z_Pilot]

They've lost 6 of 21 pilots in the last 6 months. Not because of cost of living, either...TC

Care to elaborate?

Z

 

[AA717driver]

Care to elaborate?

Z

No, I believe that about says it all. Go there if you want.

A 25% attrition rate from a F500 GV operator in that time period says a lot.TC

 

[501261]

No, I believe that about says it all. Go there if you want.

A 25% attrition rate from a F500 GV operator in that time period says a lot.TC

Lots of people go there, thinking it's great job, a GV for a F50 company, once they realize the department needs "leadership", people that can find other jobs leave.

 

[saviboy]

would they take a look at a 1200 hr pilot with 121 turboprop experience?

 

[CapnVegetto]

I sent 'em a resume, never heard a peep. Ah well.

 

[AA717driver]

Probably no shortage of people in the Bay Area looking to grab the "brass ring".TC

 

[G100driver]

Probably no shortage of people in the Bay Area looking to grab the "brass ring".TC

There are a lot of "brass ring" jobs on that are discussed on this board. It is funny how the best jobs going are often for people that you have never heard of.

 

[G4G5]

There are a lot of "brass ring" jobs on that are discussed on this board. It is funny how the best jobs going are often for people that you have never heard of.

Truer words have never been spoken. I spent years(15+) working for huge Fortune x and xx companies that everyone has heard of.

I spent years thinking that working for a large Fortune x and XX company was the place to be. That I was lucky to have a job at such a place and that I was set for life. Forget it, after years of declining benefits, Q of L, declining pensions and countless other things. I learned their are only TWO things that matter. Money and time off. One of the first guys I ever flew with told me," you pay and I obey, you don't and I go away." Learn it, live it.

I am based at an airport where two of the major Fortune corporations are based. 99% of the corporate guys on this board would jump at chance to work at a either one of them, a big name like HP at SJC.

Within the past year both flt departments have lost multiple guys to management companies.

Take it from me working for a big name is not what it's cracked up to be. Believe me, it's not the name on the top of the pay check that counts, it's the number on the bottom of the check that really matters. My grandfather taught me two very import things, "you can't pay the rent with a title and their are no hearses with trailer hitches". If you can't figure what I am saying you are too far gone.

After the money comes, the way they treat your family (time off) and then the way they treat you (respect).

I am working for a guy that nobody has ever heard of and as far as I am concerned this guy walks on water. It makes me laugh because this corporate aviation mgt thing is not that difficult. It all revolves around a basic principle that your parents taught you years ago, "You get what you pay for". Plain and simple. My current boss has it figured it out, but in major Fortune XX companies, somehow it gets lost between the HR folks, the bean counters, the aviation director or the chief pilot.

That's why their is nothing more rewarding then flying for a guy who says,"thank you" after every flight, who understands that you do hold the future of his family, his company, his employees, the share holders and the price of his stock on every flight (aka treats you right)

 

[G100driver]

That's why their is nothing more rewarding then flying for a guy who says,"thank you" after every flight, who understands that you do hold the future of his family, his company, his employees, the share holders and the price of his stock on every flight (aka treats you right)

How true is that brodda! Now pass me a Mai Tai!

(It is amazing how these 2 engine falcons can fly across large bodies of water )

 

[mobie]

G4G5 Post

Well G4G5 hit right on the head. Sounds like he has found a great place to hang his hat, I hope we all can do as well.

He might be doing a good job for his boss and that is the reason he will be able to stay on and enjoy.

Good for you G4G5 !!

 

[RampTower]

So uh, any word on the "Pilot I" listing dated 12/15/2005? Anyone hear anything? What's the recruitment process at HP???

 

[FL420]

Excellent post overall, especially the last part:

16 days until pitchers and catchers report (2/15/06)

 

[H.Agenda]

Take it from me working for a big name is not what it's cracked up to be. Believe me, it's not the name on the top of the pay check that counts, it's the number on the bottom of the check that really matters. My grandfather taught me two very import things, "you can't pay the rent with a title and their are no hearses with trailer hitches". If you can't figure what I am saying you are too far gone.

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I dont get it. Is there hope for me? I'm in a less than ideal corporate position...just biding my time...

 

[AA717driver]

There is hope for everyone. G4G5 is just making the point that money isn't everything.TC

 

[cosmotheassman]

Actually his point IS about making money.

 

[Dumbledore]

would they take a look at a 1200 hr pilot with 121 turboprop experience?

No they won't - need ATP.

 

[Dumbledore]

Lots of people go there, thinking it's great job, a GV for a F50 company, once they realize the department needs "leadership", people that can find other jobs leave.

That's not the root of it but it's a big part.

One big problem is that the new CEO just did away with the retirement program. Two of the 6 departures referred to were under an early retirement program announced shortly after the new CEO showed up.

They've also been under a pay freeze for about the last five years. At this point in time it's possible to get hired there and be a GV CA in about a year. Starting pay is $75K. An upgrade doesn't come with a pay raise. That means you could be a GV CA making 75K a year. That's about 55% below industry standard.

Oh and one other thing - they don't upgrade on the basis of seniority. It's just whoever they think will do the best job in the open position.

The department head has been "unsuccessful" at getting more out of the company for the pilots. He's not the best person for that job IMHO.

If you want to make $75K to fly an Otter it's a pretty good gig. It's even a pretty good job for newbie FOs. It's not a good job for anyone with an y real experience.

 

[Iflyamouse]

would they take a look at a 1200 hr pilot with 121 turboprop experience?

I tried to get on there in '03. 4500 TT, 1000 Jet, 2500 PIC. At the time I worked for HP in PSG (computer) sales, my dad retired from HP after 25 years, I stopped to shake hands with the flight department peeps on a business trip, sent numerous resume's ... nothing. I was a furloughed airline guy with no corporate experience ... maybe that prevented me from getting a call. But, after looking into the job more, the general consensus was it's not as glamerous as it sounds. Low pay for the area among other things.

 

[RampTower]

I tried to get on there in '03. 4500 TT, 1000 Jet, 2500 PIC. At the time I worked for HP in PSG (computer) sales, my dad retired from HP after 25 years, I stopped to shake hands with the flight department peeps on a business trip, sent numerous resume's ... nothing. I was a furloughed airline guy with no corporate experience ... maybe that prevented me from getting a call. But, after looking into the job more, the general consensus was it's not as glamerous as it sounds. Low pay for the area among other things.

I guess there are no HP pilots on this forum. I'm in the same boat with you. I've been tracking the pilot job listing on their website for a while. I don't understand what it takes to get an interview, let alone the job. Although I'm coming from the airline side, I want to relocate back to the San jose area- money is of no concern to me at this point. I can relocate on a dime if offered this job! Yet the word going around is they offer jobs to pilots that won't take it because of relocation and financial problems, and perhaps pass up pilots that don't have these concerns.

 

[G4G5]

They will be looking for someone who is type rated. If they are too cheap to pay a descent wage, do you think they will be wiling to part with the $50K for a G5 type rating?

 

[AA717driver]

According to my friend who just left, there are far better gigs out there unless you can get them to buy you a rating and immediately start looking for greener pastures.TC

 

[RampTower]

Where can I get a Twotter type these days???



Dumb question but since I don't know anyone at HP, my chances of even getting called seem rather remote. But is there any way at all I can get in touch with some at the flight dept. for some sort of introduction?? I mean I can just show up at their SJC Hangar/office and say Hi but I'm thinking that may be too blunt. any suggestions?

 

[Dumbledore]

They will be looking for someone who is type rated. If they are too cheap to pay a descent wage, do you think they will be wiling to part with the $50K for a G5 type rating?

Incorrect. They are not looking for you to have a G-IV/G450/GV/G550 or even a DA50 type. They'll get the training for you and they aren't shy about spending the $ - it's out of a different budget. Initial courses are the general rule for first timers in spcific types.

They're hiring into the Otter right now. Newhires can expect to be there, "...for a LONG time before getting in to a jet," according to the chief pilot.

 

[Dumbledore]

I mean I can just show up at their SJC Hangar/office and say Hi but I'm thinking that may be too blunt. any suggestions?

Yes you can! In fact, it's ABSOLUTELY essential. The way you get the call is to be in the chief pilot's face - OFTEN. If you go there unannounced and he's there you'll likely get the tour of the facility and a synopsis of the hiring prospects (which are never good, by the way). Listen to what you're told carefully - instructions about when to come again are likely there.

There's no telling what his reaction will be but one thing is certain - if you aren't persistent you'll have no chance at all.

 

[Dumbledore]

Yet the word going around is they offer jobs to pilots that won't take it because of relocation and financial problems, and perhaps pass up pilots that don't have these concerns.

Huh? They tend to like to interview more local pilots because HP's policy is to pay relocation expenses when they hire an employee at this level of hte company. They just don't pay very well - at least not yet.

 

[SoundBarViolatr]

HP hold

Also on hold, I don't even care to disclose for how long. It's a goal for me so I can wait and in the mean time find a decent job to do what I love. Who know's, one day, one of these F50 outfits just might call..... Good Luck.